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29G Low Tech | BABY KRIBS 2/1/09

Well, this is our first attempt at a planted tank, 29 gallon, just under two weeks old at the time of this thread's creation. We'll try to keep this first post up to date with stocking and pictures to save anyone interested in looking the hassle of having to search to find the newest post.

Equipment:
-Satellite 65W single-bulb power compact
-Marineland Penguin 200 Bio-Wheel power filter
-Eco-Complete substrate

Fauna:
-6 otocinclus unknown
-2 pelvicachromis pulcher
-6 puntius ticto

Flora:
-anubias 'nana'
-anubias 'petite'
-bacopa unknown
-cambomba carolina
-cryptocoryne unknown
-cryptocoryne wendtii
-hygrophila corymbosa
-hygrophila corymbosa 'compact'
-microsorum pteropus
-vallisneria americana

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Nice start!

That doesn't look like Java moss on the DW, though IDK what moss that is?





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Nice start!

Silly Laura, that's an Algae Ball on the driftwood

That bushy plant behind the crypt and driftwood is Cabomba, and the thin plant behind that is Bacopa. They're both easy to grow, though Bacopa needs a little bit more light.

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Java Moss

Lauraleellbp: Thank you. I was told it was java moss; it came as a ball, and we tied it to the wood for a week, but it hasn't taken hold.

ZooTycoonMaster: Thanks a lot for the I.D.s. I don't have anywhere else to put the Bacopa, unfortunately, so I guess I'll see how it does. Cambomba, I like that word ^_^.
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Yep, it's the Moss/Algae Ball. Here's some links on it:
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They're actually a "domesticated" species of nuisance algae, and some people say that it introduces Clado algae to your tank...

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Oh wow, thanks a lot for the info. We'll look into finding some real moss for the wood, I imagine, before there's any trouble with algae.
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Odessa Barbs

At the LFS we saw four odessa barbs, and they are stunning. Didn't purchase them; wanted to do some research, especially with them being barbs. From what I've read online they're apparently pretty gentle. Does anyone know anymore about these, or have any first-hand experience?

We're mostly concerned with compatibility, which is tricky to determine for sure without asking. Specifically, is there likely to be a risk pairing these with otos, RCS, or dwarf gouramis? I know with other barbs there would be the threat of fin nipping, but from what I'm reading these sound different.

Thank you in advance for any help/advice.
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i like your setup just wait till its grows a lil more it will be cool
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A little more than a month later, and the tank is doing well. We've added six odessa barbs, and they didn't dissapoint; they're playful but not aggressive, full of personality, and gorgeous. Also added four rainbow shrimp. Both the hardscape and plant assortment have changed: we split the driftwood in two, slightly repositioned the rocks, and plants are being added and removed as we come across new ones in the LFSs.

I just finished the largest rescape so far, and I'm really pleased with the left side of the tank. We'll have pictures up sometime during the week. Unfortunately, the right side is now looking pretty sparse, mostly in the back. We'd love some advice on tall, background plants that can handle reasonably low light :].

Still haven't started dosing ferts, but most of the plants don't seem to mind. The crypts in particular are flourishing, and sprouts are popping up everywhere. We'll be picking up either Flourish or Flourish Excel soon, which should we look for?

And after much deliberation, we've decided to look into a dozen white cloud mountain minnows, either Tanichthys albonubes ormicagemmae, as a schooling fish for the aquarium. Any comments or advice (about anything) would be greatly appreciated.
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There doesn't seem to be a lot of interest in this thread, but that's probably the case with any thread filled with beginner questions instead of updated pictures ^_^. I'll try to have some up by the end of the week, and hopefully get a few layout suggestions.

We decided against the minnows, but purchased a pair of (rainbow?) kribensis yesterday, pelvicachromis pulcher, that we saw at a LFS we haven't visited before. These fish are surreal, and despite having picked out the dullest pair in the store in an attempt to nab the least aggressive, they almost immediately began to brighten up when we brought them home. The odessas have certainly been curious, but not enough so to more than momentarily frighten the new arrivals. The male was pretty shy for the first couple of hours, but hasn't hidden again since he came out from underneath the hygrophila 'compact' for feeding time, and this morning he was caught "sleeping" nestled between two of the barbs.

We got the smallest sinking cichlid food we could find today, but even these tiny pellets are too big for them at the moment; I'll be breaking them up from now on. Our biggest concern at the moment is pH, which I misread at first and appears to be a 7.8. We're not worried about fluctuations, this is also the pH of our tapwater, and it's supported neon tetras and dwarf gouramis in addition to the inhabitants of this tank since early September. What I've read indicates that messing with the pH often causes more problems than it solves, but are we wrong in leaving it this high? Any advice on the subject would be much appreciated.

Our last question is whether or not cardinal tetras, which we had planned on adding to the tank when we find them, are still an option for this tank. When we bought the kribensis we were told they would be eaten, which is the opposite of what we'd read online. Would there be a risk?

Thanks for taking the time to read through this wall of text, I'll be sure to get pictures up by this weekend.
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Picture Update 1/9/09

Alright, a few pictures of the tank and inhabitants two months after the originals. Not as many plant additions as we would have liked, but hopefully we'll receive some advice on suitable plants to fill it in a little more, both in the background and the foreground.

Full tank shot; background and right side rather sparse.


Left side: the area I'm most pleased with.


A few of our odessa barbs schooling.


A little blurry, mainly to emphasize the dimorphism.


A couple of oto shots I was pleased with, although I know you've all seen otos.



Our newest additions. First: A˝ulifish, our female kribensis.


And Jibunohfish, her handsome hubby.


The water isn't as clear as it could be; I gave the tank a pretty thorough scrubbing earlier this evening. I'll replace these with cleaner shots tomorrow, if I can nab some.
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Babyfish

Well, about a week and a half ago A˝ulifish laid eggs on the driftwood, and although they seemed to slowly dissapear during the course of the week she remained glued to that location. It turns out there were eggs I wasn't able to see, because today I find her and Jibunohfish guarding maybe a dozen tiny babies.

They aren't eating any, as far as I can tell, but I'm worried about the barbs. They aren't being hugely aggressive, but they have been lunging occassionally. I'm not sure what to do. I bought a micro breeder tank that floats on the surface, but if and how I should go about catching the babies I don't know. I'm worried that I'll upset the parents if I try it, or make a real mess of things. I'm also concerned about feeding them, although they may be able to chow on the particles that break away from the Cichlid Gold pellets.

If anyone has any advice or experience with this sort of thing, please let me know. I wasn't hugely keen on the idea of baby fish, but now that they're here I'm determined to see as many of them as I can into fish adulthood.
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Are the babies free swimming yet? They don't really need any food until then. I raise Nigerian Reds, and kribs. I feed the babies decaped brine shrimp eggs once they are free swimming. The parents are usually pretty good at keeping the other fish at bay. Although mine I keep in seperate tanks for spawning. I like the looks of the tank.
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The babies are currently grouped tightly together, and don't appear to be moving much, so I don't think so. Both parents are being really defensive, which surprises me because Jibunohfish has seemed really carefree up until this point. I won't need to feed them right away? When will I need to, and where will I find food like brine shrimp eggs? Thank you for the help.

The tank is coming along, I should post some new pictures. I don't think I can photograph the babies yet, they're so tiny.
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I have small clay flower pots in my tanks for the fish to use when spawning. The kribs use them to lay eggs and hold the wigglers, but the reds lay their eggs on the driftwood and then move the wigglers into the pot. It usually takes 4 days to a week before I see the babies starting to swim some. That is when I start feeding the decaped brine shrimp eggs. At first it takes very very little for them. I bought a 1/2 pound about 6 months ago, and still have over half of it left, so it lats a really long time. I got mine from here http://www.kensfish.com/index.html
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