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3ft - attempt at high tech

So, I've had half attempts in the past, gave up the hobby for a few years due to work and life commitments, but now am giving it a go. Appreciate any and all comments, advice or criticisms.

The equipment:
Cade CB900 - 90 x 50 x 50
Eheim Pro 2073
Hydor Inline Heater 300W
Cal Aqua Lily pipes
Lighting
Cade Lighting Stand/hanging kit
EcoTech Radeon XR15 x 2
Ecotech Radeon Rail Kit - Long
Substrate
ADA Amazonia Soil
ADA Amazonia Powder
ADA La Plata Sand
Hardscape
Seiryu Stone - like a tonne!
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Co2 Pro tank from my attempt 4 years ago
AquaMedic Solenoid
Tunze regulator

Inspiration after months of following the work of a few of the PT members, and the result will be combination of quite a few, plus Amano etc etc.

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1 - have already had Amazonia in the tank running for a week, and will be using the LA Plata Sand in the next few days. I notice quite alot of clouding if i disturb the Amazonia, so would it be best to syphon out the areas where I'll be placing the sand as opposed to moving it with a shovel/spoon?

2 - Do i need to use plastic card to separate the sand and soil?

Setup initially a week ago:


Tried working on scapes using a towel that fit the dimensions of the base.

great in theory... very different when in the tank and working with Amazoinia soil. lets just say it was a long night!!

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My inital inspiration:
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Right, current scape with tank filled. Definitely not in love with it and the transition from the towel to inside the tank meant it didn't quite work. Thoughts?

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I am contemplating:
1 - ditching the sand running through the centre and having a beach rather than a stream through the centre
2 - repositioning rocks and making soil higher in the background with mounds on left and right.

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If you are putting sand, yes, you should put a plastic divider. Unless you have a fast-growing foreground to keep the substrate in place, the sand and gravel will mix fast without a divider.
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If you are putting sand, yes, you should put a plastic divider. Unless you have a fast-growing foreground to keep the substrate in place, the sand and gravel will mix fast without a divider.
Have made the call to scratch the sand!

EDIT: actually, might keep it, use dividers and remove the middle stream down the middle. not sure yet but have to make the call tonight as plants arriving tomorrow

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So, completely removed everything from the tank except that last 1cm of water, drove me nuts... lessons learned, no water till the scape is done!!

Here are the 4 viewing angles and sorry for the low quality phone pics:
Front:


Top front:

Left side:


Right side:


Thoughts and critique very much appreciated...
As you can see below, i have a tonne of rock left, and a load of artists polystyrene.

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Nice man, liking the new scape!

Nice perspective from the front and sides. Not a fan of the angle in the last picture...but maybe with plants it will look a little more natural.

What's the plant list?

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both rock scapes are nice

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Nice man, liking the new scape!
cheers!! not without a little frustration!!

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Nice perspective from the front and sides. Not a fan of the angle in the last picture...but maybe with plants it will look a little more natural.
yeah, quite different in photos than when viewing directly, but i was surprised by the odd angle, might build out the back of that main stone a bit with smaller pieces to improve that angle underneath and to the left in that shot.

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What's the plant list?
it evolved from just Eleo Bele, and Hemianthus Micran. to:
Eleocharis Belem
Ludwigia senegalensis
Heteranthera zosterifolia
US Fissiden
Cryptocoryne parva
Pogostemon helferi
Hemianthus Micranthemoides


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both rock scapes are nice
Thanks man.

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wow, had no idea planting eleo would be so time consuming. one large matt of twisted up grass and 6 pots...= hundreds of individual plantings. So, after HOURS...i only started planting the tank at like midnight last night. a lesson in patience indeed! Will post pics when i'm caught up on sleep

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Prepping for planting





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After planting

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Tank this morning before i do another water change. The discolouration doesn't come up in the pics, but its a cloudy yellowish. Sorry for phone shots, need to organise a proper camera.


Is this normal melt on the zosterfolia and L. Senegalensis? I am wondering if it might be that i had excel in the water i was using to spray the plants while planting!?


and one of the pots of eleo had a small bunch of very healthy HC in it, so chucked it in to see if it works

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Day 5 update

sorry its image heavy and only phone shots. Looks like new growth on the eleo belem which is good. came from 2 batches, one was emersed grown (jeff at LCA) and the other submersed (zaquatics) the submersed being the back right of the tank, you can clearly see the lighter green colouration and a higher rate of first growth.


Lud. Senegalensis, H. Micran and the other stems all have had melt but the new growth on the tips looks solid and bright already. so i trimmed and planted the tops of the H Micran.



Ludwigia Glandulosa had no melt at all:

The random bits of HC that snuck into my eleo pots from LCA are pearling and growing fast! is that normal?


Pogo yellowing slightly


Added a little of the Anubias Nana which i assume is either super petite or just come from a low tech tank....i've had it for years and its overtaken a small piece of driftwood. had to clear off some tough BBA and a little bath with excel (despite recent lessons) then it went in to try it out. second shot gives you a size perspective of the leaves, they only grow maybe 60% larger.


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Nice, man! Looking good. Can't comment too much on the melt. I would say that hopefully you're blasting in the CO2. When I had some emmersed HC I pumped the CO2 to keep my drop checker yellow for the first two weeks, then slowly dialed it back down to green over the next week. I had zero melt when I did this.

That moss on the SS mesh looks a little...brown, haha. Hopefully that makes a comeback!

Looking forward to seeing this grow in!

Best of luck!

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Yup... co2 is blasting. the fissidens got burnt when I accidentally exposed it to high concentration of excel. :s hopefully it comes back.

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