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post #1 of 29 (permalink) Old 01-03-2014, 09:39 PM Thread Starter
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40 Breeder tank first time scape

Okay so this is my first tank since I was a kid (20 years ago). Want to go low tech planted.
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2 aquaclear 50 HOB filters
Current satellite plus LED light
Substrate Eco-complete
zebra rock
carib sea sand
Manzanita driftwood

So the plan is to have a sandy "valley" between the two rows of rocks extending to the back. Will plant between rocks to try and keep the sand and eco-complete from mixing too much (I realize this is not going to stay that way forever). Rest of the tank will be eco-complete alone.

Feel free to suggest or critique but be quick, plan to flood it late tonight! Thanks
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Great start! Have you tried positioning the driftwood downward almost like roots?
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Great start! Have you tried positioning the driftwood downward almost like roots?
+1 on DW placement
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Hmm was going to try a moss tree but definitely going to try the downward placement. Great idea. Was trying to avoid lot of empty space but I like this idea a lot
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okay well I tried downward placement but realized I preferred the tree hanging over the riverbed instead. Here is what I have so far, my first ever scape. As I said plan to plant well on both sides of riverbed in hopes of reducing mixing of the sand and eco-complete. Tried to build up a slope towards the back where the substrate is actually 3 inches deep.
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Looking good! I'm excited to see it planted!!
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looking like a good start! I like the scape but it could do with some plants
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Really nice! I keep eyeballing the 40 breeders at petco since they are on sale. That will be my last tank I swear!
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Unfortunately my LFS sold some of the plants I wanted so I had to get whatever they had in stock. This is it just after setup. Im exhausted! Will post plant list later but there is Italian val, crypts, anubia, limnophila, bacopa, ludwigia, rotala and rose swords
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update added some dwarf hairgrass, anubias nana, cabomba and small piece of driftwood. Cannot seem to find any moss locally! Added some fish and everything looks good. ammonia and nitrites are zero. Nitrates 5ppm. Today will add 10 small celestial pearl danios that I got for free. Not sure if I'm sold on them but they were an accidental gift! Need to add a cleanup crew slowly.

Not sure if the pics are clear enough, but I have two small leaved plants that that you can see, one labeled as rotala and another limnophila by the LFS. One is by left wall and other central. Not sure if both aren't actually the same plant. Can anyone confirm?
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Interesting weekend. Water parameters looked good. Started low doses of excel and ferts three days ago. Not planning large weekly water changes so I am keeping fert dose low. Added water sprite and some hydrocotyle (dwarf pennywort). Added two ottos (already had two), 4 Amanos, 5 zebra nerites, 5 rummy nose tetras and 5 cardinal tetras. I did not have much time so I just let the bags float and then dumped them in after a while. Did the planting at the same time. Not sure f I triggered a mini cycle but lost on rummy nose within an hour. Over last two days lost both new otos, one cardinal tetra. One more rummy nose looks sick. The rest of the rummys, tetras, snail and shrimp look great. I did a 40 percent water change same night and measured params and everything looked fine but they still kept dying. Annoyed because perhaps I should have waited for tank to settle more. I can't always go to LFS so perhaps got more than I should have done. It was probably also a bad idea to move around plants same time as adding fish? Anything else to add to postmortem analysis? Annoyed too because most of my other fish were dropped into uncyclced tanks when I was a newbie and they did ok. I did take more care acclimatizing them though. On the plus side plants looking better with ferts.....
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Some updated pics.
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Well the tank is coming along decently enough. However, my Bacopa just looks terrible and is wasting away. The water sprite is growing like crazy. The cabomba is growing slowly but keep breaking off branches. Crypts and anubias doing well. Added aquatic lobelia, cyperus helferi, bacopa caroliniana (different from the large leaf bacopa) and pogostemon from petsmart (which is doing really well!). Rotala rotundifolia, alternanthera reineckii and Ludwigia also doing well. Had to remove Italian vals because they were algae magnets.

I thought Bacopa and Cabomba were easy plants? What should I do differently? I have some Ludwigia arcuata, would this be a good alternative for these two? Also, the water seems to have quite a bit of suspended particles. Added an Eheim 2215 in place of one of the HOBs but that does not seem to have helped much.

Also initially dosed NPK/Flourish and excel. However, I stopped dosing for a bit and noticed that my N stayed stable at 5-10ppm and phosphate stayed at 1ppm so now I only dose K/Flourish/Excel. Occasional spots of hair algae but those are easily removed. Light is currently only 7hrs. Some brown algae and glass needs cleaning once a week.
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Forgot to add, I also dose seachem trace 5 ml every other week
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