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post #1 of 20 (permalink) Old 12-13-2013, 09:01 PM Thread Starter
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I've always wanted to start a tank journal and now is a great time to start. I had to tear my tank down over the summer do to moving and for the last month or two I've been in the process of getting my 60P up and running again. During this time I've been making some changes to my current setup and figuring out what direction I've wanted to go in. I'll start with where I was prior to the tear down and continue with where I'm going.

Tank: ADA 60P with Garden Mat
Stand: Deep Blue cabinet stand
Lighting: Catalina T5HO - (previously 24" Finnex Ray 2) currently hanging 9" above rim via Aquatic Life fixture hanger and Sunlight Supply wire cable hanging kit.
Filtration: Eheim 2215 with 2217 impeller. Cal Aqua 13mm inflow and outflow.
Heater: Inline Hydor 200W
Substrate: ADA Amazonia Aquasoil
Fertilization: Estimative Index
CO2 Regulator: Airgas Dual Stage regulator with Parker H3L metering valve and Burkert solenoid. Soon to have Swagelok fittings.
CO2 Distribution: Do Aqua Music Glass 15D diffuser (previously GLA inline Atomizer). Cal Aqua bubble counter. Cal Aqua drop checker. CO2 resistant tubing and ADA CO2 parts set. 5lb. CO2 tank.

The Build (Winter 2013-2014)
Fresh tank and a box of wood from Tom Barr (Thanks Tom! Wood is epic!)
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Getting things started
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Dry start HC (planted 12/13/13)
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That is a great scape, I like the wood arrangement.
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Love your start. Love to see more. Are those baby tears?

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That is a great scape, I like the wood arrangement.
Thanks! Second or third time I've received wood from Tom. Never disappointed!

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Love your start. Love to see more. Are those baby tears?
Thanks! They are Dwarf Baby Tears (Hemianthus Callitruchoides). I plan to post some more progression this week hopefully.
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Here's an update on the HC dry start (week 3). Not looking so good. Not sure if there is too much water/humidity. Lights are 9" above rim of the tank and on 14 hours a day. I have some shrink wrap over the top with some ventilation holes. There some white grown forming on the wood that I believe is a fungus/mold, but away from the plants. Is it browning from too much moisture?

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the branch and wood will get fungus if they never been soaked in water. It'll peel off in a few days in submerged water.

good luck on growing the hc. I did a wet start on mines and its still taking its sweet time to grow in. :/


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Here's an update on the HC dry start (week 3). Not looking so good. Not sure if there is too much water/humidity. Lights are 9" above rim of the tank and on 14 hours a day. I have some shrink wrap over the top with some ventilation holes. There some white grown forming on the wood that I believe is a fungus/mold, but away from the plants. Is it browning from too much moisture?
How often are you spraying the HC? I'm also doing a dry start and initially got some browning/yellowing when I was doing daily sprays. I do 10 hour lighting periods and have cut down to only spraying once a week and most of the HC is now pretty healthy. I don't have ventilation holes but the seal between the plastic wrap and my tank isn't 100% airtight. I do open up the tank for 30-45 minutes once a week before I spray.
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You should open that sucker up for a bit every day. You will get that weird spiderweb mold/fungus thing going on if you don't air it out good every once in a while. Looking good though, Tom sure has the nicest manzanita available.


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Here is a little update:

12/20/13
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Things got a little worse from one week to the next. I think too much humidity was getting out after I put ventilation holes in the plastic. I put new plastic on and lowered my lights from 9" above the rim to 6" and opening it up twice a day for 30 minutes or so to get some fresh air in there.

I finally got my CO2 regulator back together. Upgraded my Fabco needle valve to a Parker H3L. I also removed my JBJ bubble counter since it has been the second one to crack. In the process I went ahead and ordered some Swagelok fittings.

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Looks good!
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Thanks! It's a slow process, but enjoyable.
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Hc browning

I think you'd be much better off if you flood.
I did a dsm and my hc grew in well. Then
I flooded the tank and all the growth melted.
I had to replant and it is growing in slowly.
The transition from dsm to submersed doesn't
always go well. I would soak your wood also.
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I think you'd be much better off if you flood.
I did a dsm and my hc grew in well. Then
I flooded the tank and all the growth melted.
I had to replant and it is growing in slowly.
The transition from dsm to submersed doesn't
always go well. I would soak your wood also.
I've been debating flooding the tank. Since bringing the houseplants in during the fall there have been fungus gnats in the house which I've been treating for, but there isn't really anything I can do to prevent them inside the tank. The moist/humid conditions are perfect for them and I know flooding the tank would prevent them from getting into the substrate. Those things have been driving the wife and I crazy. They have made there way into the tank during the times I have opened it up for air and I've been battling them since.

When you flooded your tank did you crank your CO2 excessively high? I've read that is a must do when transitioning growth from emersed to submerged, but haven't done it myself. First time giving the dsm a try.
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I recently flooded my neglected DSM tank and I didnt have to crank up the co2. What wasn't already dying from the neglect survived and are growing quite well. I'd say no to cranking up co2 excessively. You could do it for peace of mind though, I think having healthy emersed HC is the most important part. Maybe you should have purchased emersed HC to start with because your HC is probably just adjusting, I've never had a hard time growing HC emersed in any of my tanks and it always grows like a weed taking very little time to adjust.

As for fungus gnats, get a regular water bottle, cut the top right above the label. fill with some fruit vinegar and then add some liquid dish washing soap, mix gently, invert the cut top and put it on the bottom half of the bottle so the spout is facing inwards and then tape the edges together. This trap is super effective for fungus gnats and fruit flies. They're attracted to the sour sweet smell of the fruit vinegar and then they go inside. The soap breaks the surface tension of the vinegar so when they land they sink in and drown. They can't fly back out the spout either, not sure why but this trap applies to catching planaria, shrimps, snails etc.

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I took another look at your photos again, while it may just be transitioning, I thought i might chip in what I do for DSM. This is what works for me... My photoperiod is always only 6 hours for both my submersed tanks and all my emersed tanks. When doing emersed/dsm stuff people get too worked up about humidity and basically try to saturate everything with water by sealing the top and by misting excessively. You want to keep the substrate moist but the water line should be atleast a cm below the surface. I also keep a 1/2-1" gap along the width of my tank when covering the top. I mist when I remember, or every 2-3 days and when I do mist I just spray at the top level so the whole tank gets misted. I don't spray at my plants, because the whole point of misting is just to keep the humidity levels up. For reference, I'd only maybe do 5 pumps for my 29 gallon tank.

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