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Blue ram breeding project

oK well my rams have always been kinda breedish ( not a word ) but a few days ago the female looked really fat so i decided to try my luck at breeding her. Also she has a fleshy piece of skin hanging out just behind her bottom fin i read this was the ovipositer ? well li filled up an extra 20 gal put her and the male together made a cave ( i know there not cave breeders) , added some plants and added kent botanica humic ( tanic acid to lower ph as wel as induce breeding ( according to them ) i just have a few pics for now as my camera battery died and its had to get a pic of when there hiding. ID love some comments or how to's. I have some hiakari first bites on hand and are watching them closely. THEy have only been in there like for the nite and 1/2 the day so i guess ill find out when they calm down. She is also panting and has been ever since she got fat.

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sorry for quality i was in a rush and its in a hard to get to spot!

lol she looks like shes gunna blow!


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Wow, yeah she is very plump and that like white spot by the anal tail I'm pretty sure is the ovipostor. I just bought a male ram yesterday, and the store I went to didn't have any females. Have to go try to find one today. Good luck!
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thanks im keeping my fingers crossed she hasint left him all day and he hasint left her either i think tonite might be the night


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Ok so its been 2 nights and nothing has happened. Also rather than more teritorial they get frightened the second i enter the room. Im just wondering if adding the non alpa male might induce a brawl and induce breeding ? so there would be 2 males and one female ? good idea ? also they seem to be alot darker in colour like they are trying to hide rather than be bright and colourfull. thanks id really appreciate someone to comment on this matter!


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Don't introduce a new male now. To get my rams to spawn two things always worked if the pair was happy and the female pregnant. I do a 20-25% water change with rainwater around 10 degrees cooler than your tank temp (82-84F). Then add live food: brine shrimp, blackworms, daphnia, etc. This works very well for me. In turns of feeding your fry, I would add a sponge filter to your spawning tank. The fry can feed of the infusoria on the sponge. You can culure your own infusoria, do a google search. The next food should be microworms, then baby brine shrimp. Don't count on your fry eating hikari first bits. Check out the spawning articles at [url]http://www.cichlid-forum.com. Good luck.
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arrg thanks i knew it would be a difficult procedure like that Ok i live in toronto and im afraid of toxins in the rain. Im not really interested in live foods but they havent eaten the frozen blood worms or freeze dried brine shrimp. the tank is as like 72 right now should i jack up the temp ? I was planing to add the sponge too but i will add it now, im really not interested in live foods is there anything else thanks for the speedy reply!


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yes, jack up the tank to 78-80 degrees F. I would start feeding them live foods now, ime if the tank temp is 78+ and I do a 25-50% water change with cooler water, the next day my pair has bred. Now if I can only get the fry to live past 1 week
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If your interested in spawning blue rams, live foods are really a necessity. Rams like the water in the range of 82-84, PH 6.0-7.0, KH 1-2. They won't do anything in water that's 72. If your afraid of rainwater, add a little blackwater extract to your cooler tap water and see what happens. To tell you the truth, I was never able to raise any fry past the two week mark either. That's why I switched to Apistogramma Cacutouides. I can't stop them from breeding . I'm raising five diiferent batches now, the oldest are over five months old.

82-84 degree water, cool water change and live food = spawn.
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Good advices. Also don't be discouraged if the pair eats the eggs.
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A big PLUS with breeding rams is Extremely fine sand. If you dont believe me, check out this thread, from someone who sucessfully does it and shows you amazing photographs (some of the best online) and videos

Butterfly Dwarf Cichlid (Microgeophagus ramirezi) - Aquatic Photography Forum


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wow thanks for the response ! i will jack up the temp and put in the sponge, then do a water change and add kent botanica Humic ( ie blackwater extract ) I just hope this will do as i really really dont want to add live foods + anyways there not eating anything i added a bloodworm cube yesterday and it hasint been toughed yet niether where the brine shrimp freeze dried! I'll be happy if i can see free swimmers, and mabey a few survive. I hope i can do it!


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Hi.

I had a pair breed for me a little over a year ago, they favored a flat rock
to lay eggs on.

My tank specs were Ph 6.6, temp 28c. 50% water changes with 2 day aged water every 3 days with live food added as well, (Baby brine shrimp, chopped earth worms, live dwarf shrimp from local creek) Also bloodworm's (frozen) and Spirulina flake.

Sometimes it takes them a while to get it right, my female had to lay 3 times before the male got the hang of fertilizing.

I have some pictures some where of them laying, i will try to find and post.
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thanks for the reply i changed water tonite, added colder water to 80 F water / botanica humic as well as sponge. She has widened the hole/ pit that she likes and my finger's are crossed


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Ok I found it. Sorry the picture is so bad. I didn't want to turn on the light and disturb her and it's hard to focus in the dark. I circled the breeding tube so you can see how far it came out while she was laying. They were in my community though and the eggs didnt even last an hour. Good luck, I hope she lays for you.
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she is huge and looks almost bloated the water is 82 F and she is lying on the bottome plae and panting ( not that se wasint before ) the male is lying underthe sponge and they havent eaten in almostg a week! help what shoulld i do ?


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