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ADA 60p using unzan style stone 3.0

This will be the 3rd incarnation of this tank. I'd thought about using some nicer Seiryu stone I've collected over the last couple of years with some root like moss covered branches. But the choices and the limited novel look did not appeal. I can still return for that at some other point in time.
In looking at the ADA examples and the one at AFA, as well as some ideas from Bonsai, the Unzan stone seems like a fun way to use the larger rock.
I will certainly be using this concept to do at least 2-3 scapes in the coming year.

From natural systems, the islands on Ha Long Bay and Phang Nga Bay

Are representative of what many of the ideas I was thinking about, with the water as a foreground type plant.

The tops of the "islands" would poke out of the water with emergent growth and adding moss or drilling holes into the lava is fairly easy to do.
Given the nature of EI dosing to the water column, Crypts, and various other stem plants can be be roped onto these islands, think about wabi kusa, but larger and on a good sized or medium sized stone.

This makes a nice flooded forest look also.
Like my old 60p ADA emergent non CO2 tank, the joy and lower maintenance of emergent growth is a good goal for many.
As each island grows, it becomes lusher, but it is not overly difficult to trim, and you do not "uproot" the sediment. Seiryu contrast well with the darker Manzy wood, but not so well with a dark rock like lava/unzan. Ohko stone will contrast well with Manzy, and can be used in a similar manner, as it is soft and you can drill into it and it has many natural holes already.

But......finding larger pieces is tough.


So, I did a quick hardscape with the lava today in the 60p ADa tank, I think I'll go with it.
2 stones, one taller and larger sticking out of the tank, another smaller, but with potential for the plants to become emergent.
The larger stone will hide the in/out flow pretty well. So this is a bit like the older non CO2 emergent growth, but with stones this time.

No heater for this tank also.

Not sure what foreground plant I might use.
Might use belem grass and HC mix.

I'll be using some H pinn and Bolbitus as emergent plants on the stone.
Then some smaller Hydrocotyle. Maybe some xmas moss and Mini pellia on the rock. Some background stem plants might be added behind the stones and trimmed(topped)

No heater.

SSS CRS and then some smaller surface range fish. Not certain here yet.
One of the goals for this tank is no uprooting horticulture, 100% topping and pinching leaves here or there only.









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Cool setup Tom. As always a good eye. You are well known for your aquascaping wood, where are you getting this stone as well as the giant seiryu you have been showing off lately?


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Cool setup Tom. As always a good eye. You are well known for your aquascaping wood, where are you getting this stone as well as the giant seiryu you have been showing off lately?
Several places sell it locally, but.you have to really pick through it to find good quality stone. Penjing is used in our local bonsai club members and the maple bonsai I recently did over rock is similar.




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Are you going to do h pinn runners down the stone like the one in afa?
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Are you going to do h pinn runners down the stone like the one in afa?
I will use some other plants more likely, the Bolbitus does very well for me, as does anubias, I also have ample Buce's to try. I'll need some finer delicate bright green plants to contrast with those.

I will use the Hygro for a larger tank I have planned later this summer/Fall.




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the stones are very columnar, im interested to see how you will use them. i also love the idea of having some emergent growth. that always adds a whole new dimension.

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Cool scape. Very unique

Just down bump the tank and have one of the stones fall over into the glass

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always love to see your work and cant wait to see how this turns out!


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the stones are very columnar, im interested to see how you will use them. i also love the idea of having some emergent growth. that always adds a whole new dimension.
My older incarnations of this tank really got me hooked on the emergent element and the transition over time, I have long had such aspects in my aquariums going back 20 years. I really have not worked with rock/stone to achieve this though, but this is easy stone to work with for this and finding columns is not too bad with this stone.

It's light weight also, so while large, they do not require as much support.




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Cool scape. Very unique

Just down bump the tank and have one of the stones fall over into the glass
They are fairly flat on the bottom and the ADA AS buries a lot to add side to side support. I'd have to really hit it hard.

The plants I choose will be different than what many use, but it's not that unique, it's actually a very old style if you view the approach as penjing or saikei. So it's actually very traditional. Which is why we tend to like it, it has a long history and aesthetic value with people. The aquarium media might be new to some, but the actual idea is quite old.




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Are you going wet dry on this too
This tank has had a wet/dry for most of it's life.
I started with a Rena 3-4 and then switched about 2 years ago or so.
The Mame overflow is a nice new addition in the last year or so.

I likely will be making a modified Glass version of the Mame for sale in the USA.
Still seeing what our cost will be.




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I likely will be making a modified Glass version of the Mame for sale in the USA.
Still seeing what our cost will be.
I would love to see how this turns out. I have been working on perfecting an acrylic version but can't get the bend radius nearly as tight as the mame. Here is my attempt.
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I would love to see how this turns out. I have been working on perfecting an acrylic version but can't get the bend radius nearly as tight as the mame. Here is my attempt.
Yes, good attempt, check out the search links and search google images when you do it, you'll come up with many new design modification ideas WITHOUT all the chafe to sort through.




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Can you give a video of the tank?


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