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Planted Discus Tanks...1st large planted tank

I'm in the process of setting up my first large planted tank. I intend to keep discus in the tank and am building it into a wall in the basement.

With an objective of keeping adult discus and red koi angels, I'd like the plants to be tolerant of warmer temps (82-86).

The following are my plans, please chime in and help me out. I intend to lay the substrate and prepare for a dry start this coming weekend. I'd like to begin ordering plants asap.

Any thoughts or suggestions regarding which plants foreground-background will do well in the warmer temps?

Details and plans are as follows:

Tank Size:
120-130G 48"x24"x26"

Location:
In wall, no direct sun

Lighting:
48" Marineland Pro 4xT5HO 6500K; 2 150w MH
Planning 4 hours 4xT5HO; 3 hours MH; 3-4 hours 4xT5HO; 13-14 hours dark

Heating:
300W Hydor Hydrokable cable heater

Substrate:
Bottom layer...Mineralized top soil mixed 50/50 with aquariumplants.com black diamond substrate...capping with black diamond sand.

CO2: 5lb tank; looking for suggestions regarding controllers

Photo's to follow.

Ryan

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I've had good luck keeping discus at the low end of their temp range (82), weekly water changes, in a similar tank set up like you are planning (120 gal 4x2x2). I had a combo t5 and metal halide and found the MH to be too much for my tank, battled lots of algae, so I switched to straight t5 with better luck. 200w seems a bit low on the heating front, especially since you're going to keep the tank at higher temps...I have 2 x 300w heaters on my 120 and for my upcoming 190gal I'm getting a 1000w heater
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Get more then 200w try to get a 500 Watt

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make sure you qt the discus and angels prior to just dumping them in the tank together..

discus 5" or more would be great to add!!
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Thanks for the feedback guys.

I was under the impression the hydrokable/cable heaters in general were more efficient. I've got a 3rd 100 watt cable. I suppose I'll bury the 3rd cable and then plan on having an inline or other heater available when I flood the tank just in case.

Regarding MH, I was curious if it might be a bit over the top. I got a great deal on the light and then rewired it for separate plugs so I could run 3way outlets (timer and outlet on exterior wall). Wired separately I figured I could adjust based on how the tank responded.

I'm curious to know what people think of the idea of MTS and turface/ap.com capped with black sand. Any concerns before I officially head down this path.

Warlock...I'm planning on 6-10 discus. I've currently got a handful of nice ones from Bill at Inland Empire and then 6 red turks from a local guy.

BTW, was gonna post pics but am having issues with loading them to the site. I will try and get them up on photbucket and will post later.

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make sure you qt the discus and angels prior to just dumping them in the tank together..

discus 5" or more would be great to add!!
+1 deworm the angels. They can survive much longer with no symptoms with a parasite than discus.
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Making Progress

Updating with photos and progress...sorry the pics aren't that great.

The tank sitting idol waiting for the stand and wall studs to be put into place.



I rewired my lighting, Mh and T5's are now on seperate plugs. My plan is to have the lights plugged into an outlet thats wired with a 3 way switch (1 switch in the main living area(front side of tank), and 1 timer/switch hidden from view(back side of tank).



Added cable heating system to bottom of tank prior to adding substrate.


Everything in place and testing the tank and stand for strength and leaks...everything checked out.


I built a tunnel out of PVC and covered the ends with black diamond blasting sand.



The tank before adding plants. I ended up going with MGOPS(Miracle Grow Organic Potting Soil) mixed 50/50 with some reclaimed aquariumplants.com substrate. I bought this off someone who was rescaping their tank. I'm using black diamond blasting sand for my cap.




The foreground and 1st plants have been planted.

Marsilia Quadrafolia, Ammania 'Dwarf Bonsai', Micro Chain Swords, HC, Phillipine Java Fern, Saururus Cernuss, Lizards Tail, Nesaea Crassicaulis, Persicaria Kawagoeanum and a dwarf sword.







Next up is finishing the wall, working through the filtration and CO2 plans, and getting more plants. I've got a fair amount of space in the back corners. I'm looking for something that will grow tall, bushy, and reach the surface. Any suggestions?
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I came home today to find mold growing on my driftwood. Will this harm anything or create issues later down the road? Any thoughts or ideas on what to do to prevent it from growing?


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Ryan!
Great to see you on the TPT!

You can mist the wood with hydrogen perioxide to kill the mold, or excel. Looks like you have a bit too much water in your soil, try taking some out so that there is none standing on top of the substrate (about 1" below does well). The trick here is to keep things humid, but not wet.

You may want another heater for the discus, the cables will hold a 155 at 76 degrees, but not sure about 81 or more. Love the tunnel idea!

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I just realized that youre someone from the local forum (kcfishclub).

And look, there's John.

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I do think your MH might be a little too much. Probably not for the high light plants, but discus usually prefer a dimmer setting. Possibly consider getting some nice floating plants like Brazilian Pennywort or Frogbit. But the light you have is def. something aimed for reef tanks. Also I don't think all your plants will like the higher temps. I have found better luck with my discus at 86.

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I just realized that youre someone from the local forum (kcfishclub).

And look, there's John.

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I tried for Dutch, but that was taken
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Ha, and it's Tyler, aka TSudduth over there. It's like a KC reunion on Plantedtank.

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