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A 45 Gallon (high) A Saxa Tilly Inspired Tank

Hi All,

As you may be aware, I was at the Aquatic Gardeners Convention (AGA) here in Seattle last spring. Unfortunately, because our local club was hosting the event I and I was busy working in the background and missed most of the presentations. Fortunately for attendees there are videos available on the AGA website. I have probably reviewed the presentation by Vin Kutty four times at this point and I decided to try a rich substrate / low water column fertilization tank. A couple of weeks ago I had my chance.

11/25/19 I did a ‘teardown’ of my 45-gallon high tank (36” X 12.5” X 24” high). I moved the fish to an 18 gallon Rubbermaid Roughneck storage container filled with an airstone, removed the under-gravel filter and replaced the nine (9) year old Soilmaster Select Charcoal calcined Montmorillonite clay substrate (which is discontinued).

The current set-up consists of:
1) 45 gallon high with Versa-top
2) Fluval 3.0 LED fixture; 46 watt
3) Marineland Magnum 350 filter
4) In-line CO2 diffuser
5) Aquaclear 50 HOB filter
6) Marineland 200 watt Precision Heater
7) Twenty-one (21) Size “00” Osmocote Plus root tabs
8) 40# Safe-t-sorb calcined Montmorillonite clay as substrate
First, I cleaned the tank thoroughly. Then I added the twenty-one (1) size “00” Osmocote Plus root tabs spaced on a 6” grid on the bottom. (Please disregard the 30 gallon below the 45)


Next I placed a small amount of Safe-t-sorb calcined Montmorillonite clay on top of each of the root tabs to prevent them from moving when I was adding the remainder of the substrate.


I added sufficient Safe-t-sorb so the depth at the back of the tank was 4” and the depth at the from was 2”; average about a 3” depth. This took the entire 40# bag of Safe-t-sorb.




I covered the substrate with a sheet of wax paper, put a dinner plate on top of the wax paper, and started slowing filling the tank being careful not to disturb the substrate. The water out of the tap was:
pH = 6.8; de-gassed @24 hours still 6.8
dKH = 2.0
dGH = 2.0 – 3.0




I installed the HOB filter, the Magnum 350 filter with diffuser, and the Fluval 3.0 46-watt LED fixture and even with the water slightly cloudy I measured [email protected] at the substrate level without a glass cover. The Magnum 350 filter had been running on a fully cycled tank for one week and did contain some detritus. I then turned on the filters and went to bed.

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Images are broken. Good start.
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Hi @EdWiser, @Squisher and all,

Until our forum can figure out what is happening with broken photo links, I have moved this thread over to the Barr Report website. You can find the above post (with pictures) here!

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The images don't work for me either. Still interested to read how you are going about this. I read your post to the admins and understand your frustration. As a newcomer I've already learned a lot from your postings here and have been amazed at how you take the time to share and help others. I hope you don't move on, would be a terrible loss.

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Hi @Squisher, @forumadmin,

Thank you for the kind words, I try to help others just as when I was starting out there were people here that helped me.

I am not 'moving on' from TPT at this point, however if I take the time to put together a detailed thread or post pictures of nutrient deficiencies to provide guidance to others it is beyond frustrating to have this forum make the images unviewable. I will still be here, hopefully the IT/technical department resolve this issue in a more timely manner than they have with issues in the past.
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I have probably reviewed the presentation by Vin Kutty four times at this point and I decided to try a rich substrate / low water column fertilization tank. A couple of weeks ago I had my chance.
STS with root tabs is not a rich substrate???

Check here.
https://barrreport.com/threads/rotal...46#post-154643
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Hi @Maryland Guppy,

Possibly I did not make it clear. Yes this is a 'rich nutrient substrate / low water column fertilization' tank.

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Is the broken imaging due to the forum not supporting certain photo uploading methods as well as others?
Sorry, I haven't been following the thread so if that question has already been answered I wouldn't know.

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Hi @Discusluv,

So I went over to Barr Report and tried to post there as well and had the same issue. Typically I do posts using the bbcode editor mode since most website forums support it. When I went over the the Barr Report I had the same problem, broken links. However, the Barr Report website also allows the option to do posts in HTML mode. So I did the post in HTML mode and there were no broken links. I'm going to try doing the first post in this thread using HTML instead of bbcode and see if the photo links are maintained.

Bump: Hi All,

As you may be aware, I was at the Aquatic Gardeners Convention (AGA) here in Seattle last spring. Unfortunately, because our local club was hosting the event I and I was busy working in the background and missed most of the presentations. Fortunately for attendees there are videos available on the AGA website. I have probably reviewed the presentation by Vin Kutty four times at this point and I decided to try a rich substrate / low water column fertilization tank. A couple of weeks ago I had my chance.

11/25/19 I did a ‘teardown’ of my 45-gallon high tank (36” X 12.5” X 24” high). I moved the fish to an 18 gallon Rubbermaid Roughneck storage container filled with an airstone, removed the under-gravel filter and replaced the nine (9) year old Soilmaster Select Charcoal calcined Montmorillonite clay substrate (which is discontinued).

The current set-up consists of:
1) 45 gallon high with Versa-top
2) Fluval 3.0 LED fixture; 46 watt
3) Marineland Magnum 350 filter
4) In-line CO2 diffuser
5) Aquaclear 50 HOB filter
6) Marineland 200 watt Precision Heater
7) Twenty-one (21) Size “00” Osmocote Plus root tabs
8) 40# Safe-t-sorb calcined Montmorillonite clay as substrate
First, I cleaned the tank thoroughly. Then I added the twenty-one (1) size “00” Osmocote Plus root tabs spaced on a 6” grid on the bottom. (Please disregard the 30 gallon below the 45)


Next I placed a small amount of Safe-t-sorb calcined Montmorillonite clay on top of each of the root tabs to prevent them from moving when I was adding the remainder of the substrate.


I added sufficient Safe-t-sorb so the depth at the back of the tank was 4” and the depth at the from was 2”; average about a 3” depth. This took the entire 40# bag of Safe-t-sorb.




I covered the substrate with a sheet of wax paper, put a dinner plate on top of the wax paper, and started slowing filling the tank being careful not to disturb the substrate. The water out of the tap was:
pH = 6.8; de-gassed @24 hours still 6.8
dKH = 2.0
dGH = 2.0 – 3.0




I installed the HOB filter, the Magnum 350 filter with diffuser, and the Fluval 3.0 46-watt LED fixture and even with the water slightly cloudy I measured [email protected] at the substrate level without a glass cover. The Magnum 350 filter had been running on a fully cycled tank for one week and did contain some detritus. I then turned on the filters and went to bed.
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Is the broken imaging due to the forum not supporting certain photo uploading methods as well as others?
Sorry, I haven't been following the thread so if that question has already been answered I wouldn't know.

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I use Imgur or Tapatalk to host, and have not had issues.

Looks like the HTML did not work either.
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Yes tapatalk is the best way to post images. They host the pictures so no broken links.
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11/26/19 The next morning the tank was basically completely clear. Both filters and the CO2 had been running for about 12 hours so I took water readings from the tank:
pH = 6.1
dKH = 2.0
dGH = 4.0
I also checked the PAR levels with the clear water (with and without the cleaned Versa-top glass cover). The Fluval 3.0 was set on full output on all 5 channels. The depth from the light to the substrate was 20.25”. There was no hardscape nor plants in the tank. All readings taken with a calibrated Apogee MQ-510 PAR meter.
PAR = 105 (no glass cover)
PAR = 99 (with glass cover)

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The big question, what are you going to grow in your 3 sq.ft. space ???


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Hi @Maryland Guppy,

Good question! Since this is my first attempt at a 'rich substrate / lean water column tank' I am going to throw a variety of plants in there to see how they respond. I have about 12 Melanotaenia lacustris semi-juvies that I am going to more in there for fauna and then go from there.

*****Darn photo links 'broke' after about 5 hours....AGAIN! You can see this thread on the Barr Report with pictures here: https://barrreport.com/threads/a-45-gallon-high-a-pikez-inspired-tank.16696/

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This is one heck of a link to a photo.
Maybe too many characters to handle well???

I've seen all the pics on The Barr.

Roy, do you any idea how long the root tabs will take to dissolve?
I've only sprinkled right from the osmocote+ container, never used gel caps.


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