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Not really, no. I find that worry to be overblown.
I figured as newly hatched and moving around, it might've been a concern. A little sting to something that itty bitty...I have zero experience successfully raising fry though haha. At their current size, I imagine the hydra pose zero threat. Do you ever see them snacking on the hydra?
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I figured as newly hatched and moving around, it might've been a concern. A little sting to something that itty bitty...I have zero experience successfully raising fry though haha. At their current size, I imagine the hydra pose zero threat. Do you ever see them snacking on the hydra?
Because fry are bigger now is why I dont worry.
I just noticed them in the tank about 5-6 days ago, before that I thought they were some kind of algae [ the hydra has been here in tank about 2 weeks] because I haven't had them in my tanks before. My large fish must make quick work of them. I havent had any deaths of fry since the hydra has been present.

That said, I am working on suctioning them out with python because dont want them in the tank. If that doesn't do trick, Tom recommended fenbendazole.
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Yep, Fenbendazole does wonders for hydra and planaria, as well as some internal parasites as I'm sure you're aware! I've used it myself on a few occasions.

I bought this - https://www.amazon.com/Merck-Safegua...4-3e7a9c0027d0


Since it's a liquid suspension, it's very easy to work with. I think dosage of this stuff is around .25 ml/10 gallons, but the guide I used I've got saved so I can share that with you. I've used it in shrimp and fish tanks without issue, though I did add back some nerites a little too soon after treatment and both died within 48 hours.

The problem with hydra is they regenerate, so if you're vacuuming and say smash one, each little piece can become a new hydra. If I see them in shrimp tanks, I go straight to medicating for that reason. Easier and sure fire.
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I have had issues with hydras with really small fry like those of CPDs. Working up a safe dose of fenbendazole is the way to go.


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Always fun raising the little frys. Looks like they are growing nicely.


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Hi @Discusluv,

Heading up to Dean's fishroom in about an hour. I'll try to get some pictures of his 'fry' (actually juvies now). He grows the 'golds' and 'darks' separately. I don't know if this is because of different growth rates or ??. Glad to hear your fry continue to do well.
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Hi @Discusluv,

Heading up to Dean's fishroom in about an hour. I'll try to get some pictures of his 'fry' (actually juvies now). He grows the 'golds' and 'darks' separately. I don't know if this is because of different growth rates or ??. Glad to hear your fry continue to do well.
I will be separating them soon.


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Hi @Discusluv,

Heading up to Dean's fishroom in about an hour. I'll try to get some pictures of his 'fry' (actually juvies now). He grows the 'golds' and 'darks' separately. I don't know if this is because of different growth rates or ??. Glad to hear your fry continue to do well.
Did you get pictures?


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Hi @Discusluv,

Sorry, yes I did!


You can't really tell from this picture of half the tank however there are about 25 (+/- 5) young adult rams in the tank; I could tell sex on several of them.

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They are amazing! Has he developed enough to sell or still building his stock to get to that level?


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Moved the ram fry to a 30 gallon- it was really looking cramped in the 10 gallon because these guys are growing so fast ( and there are about 60 of them) . But, at the same time, it was very stressful because I worried I would hurt them while netting them. They all seem fine- Ill need to keep a close eye for netting injuries and the like.

Now, iIm going to move another pair, this time a dark male and dark female, to the 10 gallon. Excited to see if I can monitor breeding behaviors a little closer/see process. Not sure if I will let the parents raise fry-- Ill see how they do.


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I'm really enjoying this thread. Tanks for keeping us updated!
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They are amazing! Has he developed enough to sell or still building his stock to get to that level?
Hi @Discusluv,

His stock came from the Toronto, Ontario area about a year ago. He purchased a dozen juvies. He lost all but three which he was able to breed twice before they died as well. The ones you see in the picture are the 'darks' from those first two spawns. They seem much darker than many of the pictures I have seen online. He and I were talking today about them because the males are 'sparring' and showing signs of wanting to spawn. He has two 30 gallon tanks set up and aging to which he will move and try to breed them next week. He as not sold any to date, I believe he is trying to build up a few successful spawning pairs prior to selling them.

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2nd spawn. This time both male and female are dark.




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Wow. Very cool. Have you decided if you'll pull the eggs or not?


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