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Oh? I didn't know that. Well, if this is the type of glass where this is a problem the damage has already been done.

[sigh] Its been filled with that water for an hour or so.
Okay so after further reading. It's cooling or heating of the glass too quickly. I'd assume your vase is safe. It must be extreme temperatures.
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Oh? I didn't know that. Well, if this is the type of glass where this is a problem the damage has already been done.

[sigh] Its been filled with that water for an hour or so.
I don't think it's so much the temperature as it is how quickly the glass changes temperature. If you pour boiling water into an ice-cold glass for example, it might crack. Or in my case, I defrosted a frozen windshield too fast and it cracked. If it didn't crack and it's holding water, you should be fine. Just change the temp gradually to reduce stress on the glass.
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I don't think it's so much the temperature as it is how quickly the glass changes temperature. If you pour boiling water into an ice-cold glass for example, it might crack. Or in my case, I defrosted a frozen windshield too fast and it cracked. If it didn't crack and it's holding water, you should be fine. Just change the temp gradually to reduce stress on the glass.
Oh good. No, not boiling water. Just hot water from tap. But, I will be more aware of this next time.

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Dont apologize! I am grateful to you for making me aware of this. Ive heard this before, but it was so long ago that it had faded from memory.
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Wow, that's going to be plenty of space.

Have you decided on substrate? Active substrate like Controsoil or something inert like sand?

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Wow, that's going to be plenty of space.

Have you decided on substrate? Active substrate like Controsoil or something inert like sand?



This one I want to do some crystal shrimp-- Im thinking this one:



Super Red Crystal 1 line (10) VIN - BUYPETSHRIMP.COM

I also really like this: I would love to get a look like this except with dark substrate. I love the look of the moss covered smooth rock and the simplicity of using just one plant like the Umbrella Hair Grass Eleocharis Parvula. I dont know how well this plant would do without Co2 though.





Substrate will be active, black.

Thinking that interesting piece of wood- Hornwood with some rock and minimal plants.



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I decided to just use the substrate I have-- a bag of Fluvel stratum. I think the rich brown color will look nice in here.

I also decided to put the vase on ( a very stable) an end of the kitchen counter. This will make more sense being that this is not an "aquarium" designed vessel. Better safe than sorry. It does appear to be leak-proof and secure after having it full and sitting on counter for 5 hours yesterday.

While I keep going back and forth on what this vase will look like- I know I want an arrangement that is clean, uncluttered and has only 2-3 different types of plants. This will make the shrimp really become the stars of the arrangement.

With this in mind I ordered some Manten stone. I may or may not use any wood with it that i already have. Ill see what the rock looks like when it comes and decide from there.
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Ive decided... Ive decided---
Ive decided nothing- lol! I need to quit saying that----

I ended up ( not decided taking the Controsoil out and, instead, planning ( not decided ) to use an inert substrate.

Im going to go with what @somewhatshocked suggested for this vase-- some Neo's and Tigers. Type? -- am yet- undecided.

Here is the sand:



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Inert sand like that will give you more opportunity for shrimp. Also gives you space for neutral-ish water fry when they need a place to grow.

I suggest Tangerine Tigers. Then add some Cherries once you have a sizable population in our other tank. Red Tigers are also interesting shrimp if you can find them.
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Not sure if you have a light yet, but the two on my 25G are Asta 20s.

Gives off plenty of light which looks more natural than luminescent, if that makes sense. They should also come with two lenses, so you can choose the spread of the light. The dimmer is pretty decent. They do get hot though and they are quite heavy, just so you know.
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Amy, I own that filter and it's great, but please make sure you got a "Baby Protector." If you didn't inquire with your dealer, the grates are way too wide for new babies. You'll be good until one can get there, just something to know about before you have a prized berried female.


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The baby protector is nice and something the should include with it. Instead of charging $15, I mean.

One thing I've done with similar filters is stretch out some black stockings and secure them with rubber bands. Not unsightly if hidden behind plants or hardscape but certainly not as nice as the protector.
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Thanks for making me aware of the issue with the filter! I have some pieces of window screen that I got from Jake that I may just silicone on to prevent any baby shrimp from getting sucked in. That out to work.

Everything comes today for the vase, so Ill be playing around with different designs. for as long as I can stand not becoming frustrated that is...

But--- Yesterday when I was at Aqualab in San Jose they had several different vases that had wood that extended far beyond the waterline of the vase and had different plants ( air-plants primarily) glued on to them. They had bromeliads, tillandsia, spanish moss, and some other air-plants that I couldn't identify. Below the waterline they had a reed-type grass ( that they allowed me to buy a small bit of) that grew well out of the water line that was a deep green-- the contrast next to the wood was really striking! Depending on the size of the vases, they had fish, shrimp, or both in them as well. Well, the husband was intrigued by these vases so he picked out a piece of wood on slate that he wants to try to duplicate the look of these arrangements. So, now the vase has been co-opted -- not sure my initial plans for it will be met. But, was happy that the husband actually took an interest in the hobby-- so will not complain.
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Of course, most of the vases had co2 so many of the plant under the water line I cant grow. But, I have some plants coming that should be a good substitute. Will take pictures of the wood a little later...


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Most plants can be grown without CO2 injection and all that goes along with it. They're generally just not going to be as compact or grow as quickly or fully.

Some plants require high lighting (and CO2, dosed ferts, etc) to fully color up but can still be grown in their normal state just fine.
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Its done! sort of
Extremely cloudy but get the idea...
Im very pleased how it turned out--- still need to add the crypt parva and some moss. And, of course, will be getting some tillandsia, small bromeliads, and such -

Looking into different lighting options as well because this one is not going to work.



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