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What about extra plumbing for canister tank return, you’ll need 2 of these plus spraybar it comes with along with plumping parts to build a manifold with 3 outputs to effectively cover a tank of that size. One spray bar isn’t even close to cutting it.

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I am confused. An 18 inch long .5 inch diameter spray bar isn't enough? It comes with 2 types of outputs. Here it is.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...LYHTTMA5&psc=1

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I am confused. An 18 inch long .5 inch diameter spray bar isn't enough? It comes with 2 types of outputs. Here it is.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...LYHTTMA5&psc=1


You can use that filter no problem but you’ll probably want to add a wave maker to prevent dead spots. On four foot (and wider) tanks, many people like to double up on canisters as well. I’m likely going to choose the former, but I’m after the HW-3000, over 700 gph rated, but real world likely a bit less. Should still give decent turnover. Also on a 75.


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Nope, yes I looked at filter. in a 4ft by 18” tank, especially with a 20” water column height you’ll need that spraybar blowing down back wall to make current at back of tank that sweeps down and across substrate and keeps debris moving and then 2 nozzles in top corners blowing slightly towards center and providing surface ripple and the current will meet in middle and then sweeps down front glass to provide circulation to front of tank.

I would have at least that many outputs splitting up that 560gph into 3 185gph outputs and distributing them around tank evenly front and back. You can’t properly set up a 4’x18”x 20” tank with one output, you’ll end up with circulation dead zones. And 565gph entering tank at one point will blow your plants sideways in that area so that is another problem but you’ll also still end up with dead spots.

My 65gal that I had (36x18x24) had 4 200gph nozzles, 2 blowing down back glass covering back and 2 blowing at front glass sweeping around front of tank. It was a perfect setup.

Your actually a bit underpowered on gph so you better set it up to be as effective as possible at keeping tank swept up and evenly distributing current/nutrients/oxygen/gases around tank.

With that segmented spraybar you might be able to get away with pointing half of it down back wall behind plants and then point other half up at front glass and give the front half of tank circulation and do surface ripple/gas exchange.

With a 12” tank you can get away with a single spraybar pointed at front of tank, 18” tanks are a different beast altogether.

I’ve been setting up aquariums for 30yrs and proper circulation and flow patterns in tank are easily as important as lights, substrate and ferts/nutrients.
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I will also have a cascade penn plaz 200 HOB filter.

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also I have honey gouramis, which can't have current.

Bump: Anyways I just got the tank. I hope to get it and the stand into position today

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Does anyone have a recommendations for how many plants I should get?

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Does anyone have a recommendations for how many plants I should get?
As many as you can afford. The more plants you plant in the beginning, the better.
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also I have honey gouramis, which can't have current.

Bump: Anyways I just got the tank. I hope to get it and the stand into position today
Which is even more reason to split up the output from that canister into 3-4 outputs that are a gentler 185gph or less and distribute them evenly around tank than having one bombastic 565gph output.
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Which is even more reason to split up the output from that canister into 3-4 outputs that are a gentler 185gph or less and distribute them evenly around tank than having one bombastic 565gph output.


I like the idea of having multiple outputs. Do you like this method rather than a spray bar? Do you have any pictures of how you plumb multiple outlets to a single canister?


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yes. A picture would be nice.

I will get this for tubing
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...=A7OH1LS91Z6GF

As for sprays, a list or general idea of what I need would nice.

Bump: Also keep in mind that I really need to impress my parents with this tank. A bunch of huge ugly filter outputs/spraybars will be hard to hide, even in a tank that large. I also wanted to make a 'curtain' of plants at the back of the tank, leaving several inches between the plants and the back wall so the fish can hide from the tv or people or whatever.

Bump: is this output a good one?

Bump: So what you want me to do is put the spraybar on the back wall with my cascade 200 and point the bar downwards to the bottom of the tank, and then 2 of those duckbills on the sides of the tank?

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I like the idea of having multiple outputs. Do you like this method rather than a spray bar? Do you have any pictures of how you plumb multiple outlets to a single canister?


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this is basically what I would set up in that tank. All it will take is 6-8ft of extra hose and 2 nozzles plus sprayer canister comes with and a few plumbing parts.

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output nozzles x2
https://www.amazon.com/Multipurpose-...upplies&sr=1-3


thats wrong size hose, your hose couldn't possibly be 3/16 ID on that canister,,measure id of hose that came with it and match that. nor will you need 26ft of it

put background on tank and only thing you'll see are nozzles and sprayer coming over top edge. all hoses will be on back out of sight.
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Ok thx so much. Will do.

Bump: Where should the intake tube be?

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Ok thx so much. Will do.

Bump: Where should the intake tube be?


Just a guess, but I’m thinking in this design, it doesn’t matter too much, since the outputs are providing the current to as close to 100% of the tank as possible.


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