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post #1 of 15 (permalink) Old 07-13-2019, 06:14 PM Thread Starter
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10 Gallon 'Seed' tank - return to the hobby (leak death of tank)

Ah yes, the enjoyment of a clean canvas. This is the golden moment, when a new tank is nothing but potential and dreams. There has yet to be heartache and torment. In my mind this is going to be a wonderland of aquatic bliss. We all know the truth may be a rockier path, but I'm sure you know the feeling.

This is a small 10 gallon 'seed' tank, as I'm calling it, as I get back into the aquarium hobby. The basic goal is to get myself re-acquainted with water chemistry and husbandry in a planted freshwater setup. Long term I'm planning on an additional tank of approximately 100 gallons at this one is to get myself a strong bacterial and livestock base to begin stocking that larger tank. While I feel confident in my ability to keep fish.... I've only casually ever tried freshwater plants. All my chemistry knowledge (which is a mite 'stagnant' from being out of the hobby) was really based around reef tanks.



At the moment, it's a boring box of water that I set up three days ago. Basic 10 gallon tank, Aquaclear 30 filter, Nicrew 50w heater, CaribSea Eco Complete for the substrate, and a Finnex 24/7 Planted + HLC light. Water is coming from a 4 stage RO system, I also have a DI module but it's not currently being used. Next step is going to be some hard-scaping, but I'm having trouble finding what I want locally. Otherwise I'm content to just let it continue to cycle.

Hopefully more updates later today after I make another sweep of town to find a few more things.

Bump: Hmmm.... adapting to a new forum still, looks like I have to really start trimming down my image sizes. 250kb is rather anemic these days. I'll need to find a good compression percentage to hit that and not lose too much image quality.

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Looks like I have to figure out some new-to-me stuff for my web hosting to get images to show up here.
So, I apologize for the lack of photo in the first post.
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Looks like I need to go back to my ISP and sort out an HTTPS certificate before I can start linking picture from my own site.
So I'll use some of the storage on-site here until then.

Cycle appears to be going well. Ammonia has been consistently near zero. PH is steady at around 7.6. gh of 11, kh of 6.

I'm currently not testing nitrites or nitrates. I tend to not worry too much about either of those to be honest. Outside of an initial cycle, I can't remember ever actually having a positive test for nitrates in any tank I've owned. Nitrates I'll worry about after things get a bit more established and start monitoring for the sake of plant health. I'd like to bring that ph down a bit, and will be adding some driftwood for both ph and cosmetic purposes.

I sourced some local rock (from my front yard landscaping), it all passed the vinegar test. Didn't alter my gh or kh at all either. Which is good because I like the way it looks. Never did find that black slate I wanted initially. I'll do that to the big tank next year.

I initially started light feeding in the empty tank, and added a few 'ghost shrimp' about a week ago as well as a Java Fern. Two of the four shrimp remain, but I don't think that's a water quality problem, I know they can be cannabilistic if there isn't enough food and in a new tank there isn't much for them to scavenge on. The Java Fern seems to be doing well. Doesn't appear to be growing, but is still a rich green with no signs of stress.

Then yesterday I decided I needed something with some fins. In went two female guppies, one yellow snakesin endlers, and one orange cobra guppy. One of the females had a very impressive iridescent sheen to her fins, but today it looks like she's been nipped a bit or she may have some fungus coming in. I'll have to keep an eye on it, and will grab some salt here in a little bit. That Endlers seems to be a bit aggressive toward the females but it is their first 24 hours in the tank, so the social and territory heirarchy is still in limbo.

I also added a cutting of staurogyne repens yesterday as well, which I hope will take as well as the Java Fern. I did start dosing Flourish Comprehensive a week ago also. About 1/5 of a capful once a week.
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Some hygrophila compacta would be good choice for a simple easy to care for plant in that size tank.

Needs more plants.....

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Totally agree on the 'needs more plants', but it's just too barren still from a nutrient standpoint. I'll have to look into the compacta, would make a good mid-tank plant.

I'm not holding out much hope for the fit-rotting guppy though. It sure did progress rapidly over the last 24 hours. I wasn't even sure I was seeing symptoms last night, by morning it was obvious, and by the afternoon most of the tail fin was down to just the horizontal cartilage. I gave the affected fish a salt-dip, and added about 3tsp of salt to the tank both to help cure this fish and protect the others. The muscle at the base of the fin was showing a band of fungus at that point too. Typical mid to late stage appearance.

The white is slowly fading now, so I've got my fingers crossed. But it's acting sluggish and showing some signs there may be swim bladder issues.

Oh, and I did finally find some aquarium driftwood. Once things settle down I get a fresh photo.
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Sounds like osmotic shock.
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10 Gallon 'Seed' tank - return to the hobby

Water quality issue. Tank has not been properly cycled before adding live-stock. The rapid deterioration of fins consistent with ammonia or nitrIte toxicity. As well as the signs of weakness- neurological / internal organ damage from exposure.


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My ego want's to say "no no no, I'd never cheat, try to short-change a cycle, cheap out on test kits, and succumb to temptation".....

But you guys are likely correct, and a nitrite test kit is already on the way to verify where I'm actually at in the cycle. Then I can make the proper decisions to get it corrected and back on track.

I'm still going to watch for fungus issues though. The endler was aggressive toward that sick female, and I saw it nipping at her fins multiple times. Then the endler got a very obvious case of cotton mouth. Both have since died. He probably also died from the water conditions but I need to at least watch what's going on.

Other than losing a couple fish I'm actually quite happy with the appearance of the tank right now. So the plan right is to not introduce any new variables (or fish) and let it continue to cycle, with 10% water changes twice a week. Keep testing water parameters (including the nitrites). And let it just mature for a while.
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And just to follow up.... it was nitrites. Ammonia still testing close to zero but nitrites were about 1ppm or so. Not sure if that's trending up or down yet, further testing will confirm.

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I was hoping to come back here in the next couple of days to report on my first few guppy fry, and tell you all how great this tank has been doing.
That's not going to happen now.

Last night sometime the tank developed a leak on a bottom corner, and I found an empty tank when I woke up.

The only saving grace is there was still a slight puddle still in the bottom that had both of my adult guppies, and I was able to get enough water out of the filter housing to get them into a jar before expiring. I even managed to save my ghost shrimp. My Wife's boss has a tetra tank in his office, so I was also able to find a home for them all.

So I'm a bit upset over this as the tank had been doing great. The java ferns were really starting to take off, I had one batch of fry already and expected more to show up soon. Never had any algae problems to deal with. I was really happy with how this tank had been developing. About the only actual problem I had was that ghost shrimp are little cannibals so I was going to have to relocate the last-man-standing before I could start bringing in some cherries and other colorful shrimp.
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I decided I'm not going to try and do a warranty claim on this one. 10 gallon tanks are cheap, and I didn't have any damage to anything outside the tank due to a tile floor. I did report it to them for their own information, not that I expect anything to change.

Now I start planning a new tank. I will not be making any attempts to reseal or re-use the current tank.

I will say that I don't see any visible difference from one brand to another on their generic 10 gallon sizes. They use the same build method, same (or extremely close) thickness glass, and once you take the labels off I can't tell the difference. This makes me think I can't trust any of them. I'm toying with a few ideas but have little enthusiasm right now. That'll be for a different thread when I get myself ready to do this again.

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That just plain sucks. Sorry you had to go through that.

Have you checked out Seapora (formerly Deep Blue Professional)? They have nice standard tanks with black silicone that's much cleaner. They, overall, have been better tanks than the standard big box store tanks - at least in my experience.

May also be worth considering small rimless tanks from manufacturers like ADA, UNS, Aquatop and others.


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Yeah, it sure was a kick in the teeth to find my tank like that. I won't lie.... it's really demotivating.

I've actually been looking at lot today at the various rimless tanks online. Came REAL close to ordering one too, but it turns out there's a reef place two doors away from my job, so I want to see their inventory before I order something. I'd rather get something local if possible to reduce my risk of something breaking during shipping. I'm also struggling with the 'go bigger' syndrome too, so I've been looking at the Fluval Flex 15 gallon.

Since my livestock is all apparently doing fine in their temporary home, and I'd have to go through cycling anyway, I'm not going to rush things. I'll wait until I feel appropriately inspired.

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Ok, two pieces of good news here.

1. New tank is ordered. 17 gallon rimless cube from SR Aquaristik (forum sponsor).

2. I got the SSL certificate fixed on my web hosting, so I can now show photos here easily when the new tank shows up.

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Awesome! (on both counts)


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