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After planning a SA planted tank and having equipment failure(tank cracked) back in 12/16 and a week long vacation in the hospital 1/17(if you smoke quit). I've finally gotten to the point of starting one of 2 55's. This one is all Greggz and Grobbins48's fault. Fell in love with the rainbows, actually acquired 3 very nice male Boesemani's the other day from a local hobbyist at a very nice price. I'm kinda going to follow Gregg's lead on this as a rainbow tank with plants.

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current satellite freshwater(being upgraded to the beamswork DA fspec next month)
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Substrate will be pfs, with a few river rocks and a piece of mopani driftwood.

This will be low tech for now till I get a clue on what I'm doing with the plants.

Few questions for the bowheads out there:

What do you feed for best health and coloration?
M to F ratio? (should I decide to attempt breeding)
How many could I keep in a 55 with proper care?

I've kept an assortment of tanks(fresh to reef) over a 20 year period, do know what proper care is

Looking forward to chatting with you all and growing this tank out .

Pics to follow
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Glad your back on the road to recovery and enjoying your fish again.
With a name like discusRob ( being that I myself keep discus) I want to know: tell me about your discus, lol! :0
Have them now, in past? German, Asian, wilds?

@ greggz Rainbows are extraordinary arent they, and the bright colors next to the bright plants is something to behold!

Good luck and the best of future health to you!
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Glad your back on the road to recovery and enjoying your fish again.
With a name like discusRob ( being that I myself keep discus) I want to know: tell me about your discus, lol! :0
Have them now, in past? German, Asian, wilds?

@ greggz Rainbows are extraordinary arent they, and the bright colors next to the bright plants is something to behold!

Good luck and the best of future health to you!
With the hospital stay and the 75 going to fish heaven that ended my discus keeping. So now I'm hooked on rainbows. I can't handle the up keep that discus require. I was looking at going with Hans, but it is what it is.
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With the hospital stay and the 75 going to fish heaven that ended my discus keeping. So now I'm hooked on rainbows. I can't handle the up keep that discus require. I was looking at going with Hans, but it is what it is.
Understandable. I like the Stendkers as well, I have two of the "Tefes".

Rainbows are pretty great as well!


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Greggz maintains an all Male tank. I also have an almost entirely all male tank with the exception of a Yellow (Herbertaxelrodi) pair that the LFS would not separate.
The problem with mixed sex tanks is two fold.
1. Females have MUCH less color
2. If fry are produced it's very likely that they will be hybrids which is very frowned upon. All of the Melanotaenia will interbreed. The resulting fish are almost guaranteed to be less visually appealing.
Of course that is only if you keep more than one species.
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Greggz maintains an all Male tank. I also have an almost entirely all male tank with the exception of a Yellow (Herbertaxelrodi) pair that the LFS would not separate.
The problem with mixed sex tanks is two fold.
1. Females have MUCH less color
2. If fry are produced it's very likely that they will be hybrids which is very frowned upon. All of the Melanotaenia will interbreed. The resulting fish are almost guaranteed to be less visually appealing.
Of course that is only if you keep more than one species.
Thanks Dude, kinda figured that on the hybrid side, was just maybe hoping that bows weren't quite as promiscuous as A. Cichlids, guess not. That's fine, got another 55 in the wings, might go spec. only in that tank. I don't like hybrids either, kinda of a purest myself.

Could I pull off 4 groups of 3 in a 55?
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Here's a few pics of the bows
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Lets try a few more and see if the come out sideways
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Very nice bosemani rainbows

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Few questions for the bowheads out there:

What do you feed for best health and coloration?
M to F ratio? (should I decide to attempt breeding)
How many could I keep in a 55 with proper care?
Hey can't believe I missed this thread.

I am always interested in following another Rainbow tank!

As noted above, I keep an all male tank. I have kept both types, and settled on males as there is only so much room in the tank, and I am going for the maximum color display.

You will read over and over on the web that males won't show good color without females, but I have to say that has never been my experience. Well cared for Bows in a comfortable environment will show brilliant colors, and will also flash and spar daily.

Rainbows are generally a thin fish without a lot of mass. I've always kept them at what most would consider pretty well stocked. Right now in my 120G I have 26 Bows and some Roseline's and Loaches, it that helps give you some idea.

In general Rainbows appreciate a well maintained tank, with good flow and heavy aeration. They do seem to show best colors in a heavily planted tank. Just seems to make them more comfortable and display more nicely. Large regular water changes, gravel vacs, good filter maintenance, etc.....all the things plants like too.

As to feeding, Rainbows will eat about anything. And the thing is, they ALWAYS seem hungry. I only feed mine once a day, and much less than most would think. Resisting over feeding is better for both the Bows, plants, and the tank in general.

Here is what is on the menu for mine. Hope that helps and please feel free to reach out if there is anything I can help you with. And by the way, nice looking Beosemani you have there. Looks like very good breeding.

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Thanks Gregg, I was hoping you'd find me, I've cruised your thread, do plan on reading the book. And trust me, I will be reaching out to you soon. Thanks again.
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The Beosemani's came from a local hobbyist, craigslist believe it or not. Paid $30 for all 3. He said he breed them but didn't offer any history on the lineage so I have no clue where they came from. They are beautiful and have settled in nicely. Based on prior post above I will be doing all male. Still have the second 55, might do a group in that one. Might be fun to try.
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Thanks Gregg, I was hoping you'd find me, I've cruised your thread, do plan on reading the book. And trust me, I will be reaching out to you soon. Thanks again.
LOL reading the book.

You know the thing is, when you continue with one LONG thread, you almost need an index. I can't even find things I look for in there. And I do go back, as I reference points in time and what is going on at the moment. Is very helpful to me at times.
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"Rainbows are generally a thin fish without a lot of mass. I've always kept them at what most would consider pretty well stocked. Right now in my 120G I have 26 Bows and some Roseline's and Loaches, it that helps give you some idea."

So, with proper tank care I could get away with 4 spec. of 3 each and some cories on the sand bed for clean up? The problem is deciding which 4, so many to choose from

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