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60-P: quest for REDs with LEDs

Initial re-do.

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Used AS
2 x 24" Current Satellite Plus+
Eheim 2213 with factory media + Eheim Jet outflow, cycled
Injected co2

~24 x Ember Tetras
1 x Sunburst Platty (grow out)
1 x male guppy
X x Ramshorn snails

Blyxa Japonica
Baby Tears (HM)
Bacopa caroliniana
Limno
Ambulia
Rotala rotundifolia
Pogostemon erectus
AR mini
Hygrophila corymbosa Angustifolia
Water Sprite (temporary)
Water Lettuce
Amazon Sword "compact"

78F

Most of the ideas are coming from these current run-away threads:
- Fertilization methods https://www.plantedtank.net/forums/11...te-levels.html
- Red plants under LED https://www.plantedtank.net/forums/10...look-like.html
- Water changes https://www.plantedtank.net/forums/9-...appointed.html

This is work in progress: comments / advise / questions / jokes are welcome.

30% WC with 2 ml Glut 18 + 5 ppm K after the initial planting
Light
- back @ 75% white and max red/green
- front @ 50% white and max blue/green









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My primary goal is to grow Rotala macrandra under LEDs.

I have some macrandra and mini butterfly in a grow-out tank and I will plant them in this tank in a couple of days, together with
- Nesaea pedicellata "golden"
- Rotala green
- Mayaca
- Hydrocotyle tripartita 'Japan

My other goal is to get anal about water conditions and fertilization, running a tank leaner then EI.
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Both lights 3 pm to midnight
CO2 1 pm to 11 pm

+ drop checker + 5 drops of pH test solution

+ 1 O+ tab under sword
re-planted Ambulia with healthier plants (6)
+ 1 Ludwigia mini red top with 4 leaves, half-dead

pH 6.5
GH 5
KH 4

NO3 10
P 0.5

TDS 262

+ 5 ppm K
+ 2 ml Glut
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My other goal is to get anal about water conditions and fertilization, running a tank leaner then EI.
Nice start to the tank and looking forward to this with great interest.


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Following. Is glut primarily used for algae control?


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Is glut primarily used for algae control?
I am not sure, yet. I used Excel on an ad hoc basis before and I have no first hand experience with what it actually does if used on a consistent basis. Using Metrex Metricide 14 because of the glut = clean subliminal association in my head.

That tank has a history going back to 2012 when I used 24" 2 x t5 bulbs. When we moved 150 mi 2 years ago it was one of 3 tanks that I stuffed with plants and fish and moved half-filled. For the last 2 years it remained a dumping grounds for cuttings, hodge podge collection of crypts and a home to Embers. When I pulled the tank apart a couple of weeks ago I was rather surprized at how many crypts a 17g can hold.

The tank in March 2013:







And in July 2016:



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I am not sure, yet. I used Excel on an ad hoc basis before and I have no first hand experience with what it actually does if used on a consistent basis. Using Metrex Metricide 14 because of the glut = clean subliminal association in my head.



That tank has a history going back to 2012 when I used 24" 2 x t5 bulbs. When we moved 150 mi 2 years ago it was one of 3 tanks that I stuffed with plants and fish and moved half-filled. For the last 2 years it remained a dumping grounds for cuttings, hodge podge collection of crypts and a home to Embers. When I pulled the tank apart a couple of weeks ago I was rather surprized at how many crypts a 17g can hold.



The tank in March 2013:















And in July 2016:









These look great. Hope to see you pull off something similar under LEDS!

FWIW / I dose 5ml glut in my 60P every day. Since I started doing that, I've had no issues with algae on anything but the top of my hardscape, which easily gets twice the light of the substrate.

On weekly 50% water change I dose 10ml.

It's definitely the most "algae-free" I've ever had the tank, so I'm afraid to stop using it. I push CO2 hard as well.

I'm dosing baseline EI, but honestly I'm not experienced to know if I should adjust up or down.

All of that said... I had a 45P full of UG that I never dosed glut, and it was also spotless. (Although I just pulled all the UG and switched to glosso.)

So maybe it's not the glut, but experience keeping things algae free... I'm too afraid to find out.

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The drop checker is yellow right before lights out and 1 hr after co2 is off. A bit surprising. Slight pearling on R. rotundifolia, none on water sprite or other plants. A couple of older leaves on Amazon Sword do not look that hot, but the roots were trimmed before planting.

My biggest concern is surface film and somewhat cloudy water. I am seeing particulate mater in the water column (recycled AS?), but the color is reminiscent of uncycled tank. Filter intake/outflow are on the oposite sides of the tank and I need to change that and to re-cut the filter tubing. Give it another week or so before cleaning the filter.

I have no 1/2" Lilly pipes and this looks tempting: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...=AJOA880DXV3BM

co2 is at marker 7 on the valve
TDS 254, virtually unchanged from 2 days ago.
Water changes:
- at, say, 275 TDS or
- 1 - 2 weeks or
- NO3 > 20
Interested to see what triggers first and how it will change over time.

ph 6.5
KH 5
KNO3 10
P 0.5

New plants:
- more R. rotundifolia
- several melting Ludwigia mini red rejects
- a bit of Hydrocotyle tripartita 'Japan'
- 1 x 1" P. erectus
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Looking good!

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My biggest concern is surface film and somewhat cloudy water.

Since you don't yet have pipes, you should consider one of the combo lily intake / skimmers. I just started using one and it's amazing to see the gunk the top skimmer collects. Hard to get a good shot of it, but see if you can see the brown biofilm in this... frame center:

It's this one: Glass Lily Pipe Inflow with Surface Skimmer for Aquarium Planted Tank (17mm for 16/22mm (5/8'') tubing) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LWSEEBD?ref=yo_pop_ma_swf

Also noticed it seems you aren't running your red channels... what's your thinking?
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@voyetra8: thanks for the link and the recommendation, I'll check it out.

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- back @ 75% white and max red/green
- front @ 50% white and max blue/green
I want to start at the lower end and ramp it up slowly. The plants in the back are taller and will be mostly rotalas (more red) and I want the plants mid / front to grow in (more blue). Logical? Maybe. Will that work? Only one way to find out.
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@voyetra8: thanks for the link and the recommendation, I'll check it out.







I want to start at the lower end and ramp it up slowly. The plants in the back are taller and will be mostly rotalas (more red) and I want the plants mid / front to grow in (more blue). Logical? Maybe. Will that work? Only one way to find out.


Ohhhh, I missed that the back LED had the red pumped up. Disregard.

I just posted video of the skimmer in action... makes it more clear what it's doing: https://youtu.be/VHpb7psy-VU
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This tank is taking a lot of time. Still looks flat, hopefully when plants reach their full size I can increase the depth perception.
The plants are growing for sure, aromatica is getting taller and AR mini is rooting nicely. Not much color on R. rotundifolia. Almost none on aromatica. The next plant in will be rotala mini.

- Added black background
- Build up substrate at back corners
- Added a small driftwood and twigs as a future home for C. habrosus
- Bumped back and front lights one notch

- Re-planted Bacopa (was held down by plant weights)
- Added remaining H. japan at foreground
- First trim of Ambulia
- Moved aromatica closer together to make room for more plants
- Planted R. green (I think)
- Planted Mayaca
- Planted R. macrandra

TDS 283 yesterday
TDS 299 today -> 30% WC
NO3 5
P 0.5

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Front:







Interesting to see how rotala changes growth from one tank to another:

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Bumping co2 up a bit was not such a good idea - all fish are at the surface with red gills in < 2 hours.

Note to self: don't rush it and it's too easy to kill all fish with a slight turn of the knob.
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Rotala mini does not look like much:



Rotala macrandra started to pearl:



And the long-time residents are alive and well:

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