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April 8th, 2018

Bump: Light: Sunblaster LED

TECHNICAL SPECS:

Light Output - 5,150 Lumens

Power Consumption - 48 Watts

Number of LED Diodes - 96

Lumens per Watt - 107

Colour Temp - 6400 Kelvin

Lighting Angle - 120ー

CO2: None

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8 x Cardinal Tetra
7 x Lemon Tetra
2 x Apistogramma
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6 x Oto Cat
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I am having trouble with an algae with seems to grow mainly off the edges of my plants.

Water params are below algae pics attached

20 ppm Nitrate
1ppm Phosphate
7.6 pH
11dKH
8dGH
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A few updated pics...made some room in the front as I want to try stargrass again.
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I like all the val. Too much val seems "natural" to me.
A storm was making the algae pics slow to load.
I am wondering what it is and why edge algae exists. I have algae, of course, but not the edge type.
What does the fish stocker program tell you? Could you add more cardinals?


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I like all the val. Too much val seems "natural" to me.
A storm was making the algae pics slow to load.
I am wondering what it is and why edge algae exists. I have algae, of course, but not the edge type.
What does the fish stocker program tell you? Could you add more cardinals?
https://www.plantedtank.net/forums/23...ype-algae.html

Not sure why I am getting it either. My levels are decent, but I do not know how my tank is doing Co2 wise. Might be the problem. Lots of growth, tho.

Might be I have too much light/not enough Co2. Something isn't balanced.


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Looks like you just need to up your CO2 a bit. I've found that I've gotten the "edge algae" when my low to mid-tech tanks have run just slightly too low on CO2. Everything else looks great!

I've never regretted over engineering a system, but often regretted under engineering one.
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I'm battling it as well. It started out on some bolbitus. I think I screwed up the balance in my tank when I removed a good portion of plant mass to get my 150 going. Since then it has gotten exponentially worse. Had to remove the bolbitus and anubias and do H202 dips and I'm dosing glut again at 10ml daily. I've also started going in once a week at water change time and cutting off as many leaves that have it as I reasonably can. It looks like the same BBA as in my tank. I even cranked up the C02 and that didn't help. Seems like once it gets hold its very hard to get rid of. My only guess is it's in there and waits for an imbalance to arise and then it goes bonkers. I'm doing the 1 2 punch treatment next week right before water change to try to get ahead of it. I have another basically identical tank right below this one (75 gallons, high light, high C02, EI dosing, etc) that I did not take much from and it continues to have very minimal very easy to control amounts. Wish I had a better answer for you. It's now covering much of my driftwood. Probably going to have to take most of the stuff out and scrub what I can. Apparently glut and H202 by themselves don't have significant impact on the type of algae, but used in conjunction they work well... but also kill inverts.. killed 4 Nerites.
Tank is looking really good though and honestly I never would have known had you not posted close ups.

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i have same issue and i will be trying siamese algae eaters they are the only known fish to eat bba make sure they are true alage eaters i am ordering them from live aquaira .com okay good luck


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Usually an imbalance, too much light, not enough co2

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I'm confused are you injecting co2 or not. It says no co2 in your 1st post. Your also don't say what your dosing/
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I'm battling it as well. It started out on some bolbitus. I think I screwed up the balance in my tank when I removed a good portion of plant mass to get my 150 going. Since then it has gotten exponentially worse. Had to remove the bolbitus and anubias and do H202 dips and I'm dosing glut again at 10ml daily. I've also started going in once a week at water change time and cutting off as many leaves that have it as I reasonably can. It looks like the same BBA as in my tank. I even cranked up the C02 and that didn't help. Seems like once it gets hold its very hard to get rid of. My only guess is it's in there and waits for an imbalance to arise and then it goes bonkers. I'm doing the 1 2 punch treatment next week right before water change to try to get ahead of it. I have another basically identical tank right below this one (75 gallons, high light, high C02, EI dosing, etc) that I did not take much from and it continues to have very minimal very easy to control amounts. Wish I had a better answer for you. It's now covering much of my driftwood. Probably going to have to take most of the stuff out and scrub what I can. Apparently glut and H202 by themselves don't have significant impact on the type of algae, but used in conjunction they work well... but also kill inverts.. killed 4 Nerites.
Tank is looking really good though and honestly I never would have known had you not posted close ups.
That scares me a bit! Another user recommended cutting my light to 6hrs, and switching to 50% wc. Going to try that for a couple months and see what happens.

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Yes I think this is correct.

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I'm confused are you injecting co2 or not. It says no co2 in your 1st post. Your also don't say what your dosing/
No CO2 injection or Excel (due to Vals).

Dosing is Thrive+ 3x per week, but I am going to cut that to 2 based on another users suggestion.


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I have what might be a dumb question.. why no excel due to vals? Do they react badly? Or grow out of control?

I’m a total newbie, I really do want to know the answer cause I’m using excel with Vals and now I’m worried I shouldn’t be. Honest question 😊
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I have what might be a dumb question.. why no excel due to vals? Do they react badly? Or grow out of control?

I知 a total newbie, I really do want to know the answer cause I知 using excel with Vals and now I知 worried I shouldn稚 be. Honest question 😊
Yah.. vals hate it. Some fish hate it.. it's trial and error..

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I have what might be a dumb question.. why no excel due to vals? Do they react badly? Or grow out of control?

I知 a total newbie, I really do want to know the answer cause I知 using excel with Vals and now I知 worried I shouldn稚 be. Honest question 😊
Vals, mosses, and Cabomba all hate Excel in my experience, but I don't have anything scientific to back that up.

I would hate to annoy my val right now as it's putting out a 5 or so new shoots a week.
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