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Roy's 10 gallon - Dicrossus maculatus species tank

Hi All,

It's been a while since I started a new journal so here we go. Standard 10 gallon Aqueon with Versa-Top, Aquaclear 20 HOB filter (with 2 used sponge media) and 75 watt Visi-therm heater. Light is a standard 2 incandescent socket strip light with two 7 watt horizontal plug corncob cool white lamps <Ebay G24 E27 5-13W AC85-265V 5050SMD Horizontal Plug LED Corn Light> providing [email protected]+ (to be revised when water clears0 at substrate level. Substrate is 3/4 used (4.5 years) Safe-t-sorb #7941 and 1/4 new STS. Tank parameters: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; 0ppm NH4+; 0ppm NO2-; 0ppm NO3; 0ppm PO4

What to do, what to do? Watch this space!

2/23/2018 Day 1 Set-up (Immediately after adding water)


2/24/2018 Day 2 Starting to Clear
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So what are the plans?? My plants are recovering nicely after following your advice.

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What do you plan to put in there?

P.S. The cryptocoryne usteriana x walkeri is still alive. I'm thinking maybe I buried it too deep.

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Hi All,

I'm setting this tank up as a 'species tank' not necessarily a planted tank which to my mind means I am trying to make the tank conditions appropriate for the featured fish species and the plants are 'second fiddle'. That said I did add some plants today and stirred up the substrate somewhat doing so. This is what I added from what I had on hand:

From left to right rear:
Nymphoides hygrophylla (aka sp. 'Taiwan') - rear leaft
Ludwigia simpsonii - emersed grown from my plant bank
Eriocaulon Vietnam (aka Taiwan) -center - emersed grown from my plant bank
Hygrophilia sp 'Tiger' - emersed grown from my plant bank
Ceratopteris cornuta (aka Broadleaf Watersprite) - from one of my other tanks (right rear)

In front of the Ying/Seriku Stone that was darkened with muriatic acid
Cryptocoryne wendtii 'Bronze'
Helanthium tenellum (Foregound) - from AFA tissue culture purchased 11/17 (yes they can last a long time in those little containers with sufficient light)

2/25/18 Before planting; light intensity improved with decreased cloudiness before planting [email protected] at substrate level


2/25/18 After planting
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What do you plan to put in there?

P.S. The cryptocoryne usteriana x walkeri is still alive. I'm thinking maybe I buried it too deep.
Hi @Patriot,

I'm glad that plant I gave you still survives; it is a species seldom seen in the hobby and somewhat coveted among enthusiasts. Hopefully it will eventually multiply for you and you can 'pay it forward'.

You asked what I am setting up the tank for, here are some clues.

It is a species from South America, specifically Brazil
It likes very, very acid (pH<6.0) and soft <2.0 dGH water
It comes from clear (as opposed to tannin) streams with sandy bottoms
It is small enough that I can put six (6) of them in my 10 gallon tank for now, likely when they are 2" adults they will move them to my 20 gallon

I've waited a year for this species to become available, watching (stalking is more like it) the fish lists weekly. Finally smallish wild specimens became available two weeks ago and one of our Greater Seattle Aquarium Club sponsor stores (Aquarium Co-Op) was nice enough to add my six fish request to their weekly order from the wholesaler. They treated the fish for worms and parasites (not uncommon for wild fish) and I picked them up today. Currently they are drip acclimating and I will introduce them to the tank later this evening.
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Hi All,

Late last night I finished the drip acclimation and moved the new residents into my 10 gallon. One of the six did not look well, poor color, not swimming well, pinched stomach.....did not make it overnight (purchasing wild fish this is not uncommon). However this morning this is how the tank, new residents, and plants looked.





I was surprised how good the fins looked on these fish, wild fish are usually pretty chewed up


Oh, and a short video
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Nice start, I'll follow along, but only if you plant some crypt lutea "hobbit". perfect for smaller tanks, it would really put some contrast to the substrate and green plants.

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You're going old school with that hardware; love it! Those Dicrossus are beautiful! Looking forward to seeing what you do with this tank.

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Dicrossus... man I have wanted those for a very long time. Not available locally and I hear they can be difficult. Ill be following this. Anything else in there with them??

Plant Bank.... So cool... I'm just starting up my own. Seeing them transition from submerged to emersed and start growing is very satisfying. Unfortunately I didn't start out with many cuttings so Ive got like 6 different plants in one shoe box size grow out. I bought another much larger one that Ive has some anubias transitioning. Care to share some pics of your plant bank to help me get some organizational ideas? Do you keep enough in there just to have the species or do you try to really increase the total plant mass as much as possible?
Ive seen some guys with an entire box full of nothing but Marsilia Hirsuta or a single species.

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Hi @The Dude1,

I literally 'stalked' the weekly fish list of my favorite online vendor, it has been almost a year since this species has been in stock. The Dicrossus filamentosus was available several times over the last year but not D. maculatus. Next, getting wild fish to eat can be a challenge, let's hope they are hungry! I did add a small Corydoras aeneus that I bred a couple of years ago and a Corydoras habrosus to do 'clean up' duty in the tank.

I have been doing emersed grown plants for over five years now, it's a great way to keep "difficult to find species" and have them available for when you need them or to make them available to club members. I haven't done an inventory lately but I probably have +/- 25 species that I grow emersed. It doesn't take a lot of work, I can maintain it with about 1 hour per week. I was thinking of starting journal on my emersed set-up and share some of the things that worked (or not so much) but I don't know if there would be a lot of interest. A lot of what I share about plant deficiencies I learned dealing with my emersed set-up and deficiencies that arose when trying to grow those species.




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Hi All,

So this morning I woke up, went to the garage, opened the downstairs refigerator, and cleaned breakfast for the Dicrossus maculatus. Then I went into my office, turned on the tank light and computer and had a cup of coffee. Came back, took a few still photos and then shot the video at the bottom......I guessed right on what they might like!

Lights on guys and gals!


They must be hungry they are foraging among the plants


Hmm, the Ludwigia simpsonii (emersed grown) on the left is already reaching for the light; the Hygrophilia sp 'Tiger' (on the right) not so much yet


And now the big question....will they eat?
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10 gallon for 5 D. macalatus? I had 8 D. filamentosus in a 33 gallon long, 5F/3M and the dominant male chased the other two males to death. Even the females got a bit ornery when they laid eggs. This was in a tank with a ton of leaf litter and wood, lots of hiding places and sight breaks. If you have two males or a female lays eggs, you won't have much room to disperse any aggression. Once they become sexually mature, I think you'll have some problems.


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Hi @doinkmobb,

I don't disagree, but right now they are about 3/4" not including the tail. One of the hints I learned was when raising juvies to keep them in smaller tanks so the food is easier for them to find when it is fed and as they grow progressively move them to larger tanks. It was not my intent to keep them in a 10 gallon to adulthood.

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I am super interested in your emersed setup. It looks sweet.
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