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Okay, algae is not bad, but plants are really bad... Completely unsure as to what is happening. The only major thing I have changed would be swapping back to liquid rock tap water, but the symptoms are not lining up...

The bottom of most stem plants, I'm talking the bottom 2"-3"-4" above the substrate are completely melting, and if the plant is only 2"-3"-4" tall... well it completely melts, and I mean completely, 0 left... complete mush:

Ludwigia arcuata:


Ludwigia inclinata var cuba:


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So, what am I dosing?

Tank total volume front load:

20ppm NO3 - KNO3
5ppm PO4 - KH2PO4
12pp K - KNO3 / KH2PO4

No gH boosting - gH of tap water = 17. May need to dose 5ppm Mg... 15 degrees of the 17 is built from Ca according to API tests and rough napkin math. Okay, 5ppm shot of Mg when I get home from work today.

3x weekly:

Fe DTPA 0.15000ppm
Mn 0.05000ppm
B 0.04500ppm
Zn 0.04000ppm
Mo 0.00175ppm
Cu 0.00200ppm
Ni 0.00050ppm

Now, after this week's water change and removal of the mulm, I decided to go back to some extra K. Why? well lowering it seems to work from everyone else, but because I help farmers grow corn, and corn likes to fall over when they don't get enough K (the stems get weak JUST LIKE MY PLANTS and wind snaps the stem near the base) so I matched NO3 dosing and K... We will see this week.

Going to bump CO2 as well...

All is not bad though, at least the dog and mother nature are cooperating


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Did you go back to tap all at once?

If so, my guess is that might be the cause. IME, plants don't like sudden change. Always better to ease into things like that, and give them time to adjust.

It's similar to plants I get sometimes from tanks with completely different parameters. Not uncommon for them to just flat out melt. And mine have done the same in others tanks. It's like plants get into a groove doing the best with the parameters you are providing.........then change it up too fast and uh oh look out.

As to K, 12 is on the low side, but that's still 24 ppm in the water column figuring on 50% water changes. I was down to about 10 ppm, and noticed growth was much slower, but nothing like you have going there. Bumped it up to 13 ppm and growth became normal again.

I'd try to trim and save what you can give and give it time. Hopefully they will adjust and bounce back.

Now all that being said, who knows could be the new tap or low K.......a combination of both......or maybe something completely different. When it comes to advice around here you get what you pay for!!


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Did you go back to tap all at once?

If so, my guess is that might be the cause. IME, plants don't like sudden change. Always better to ease into things like that, and give them time to adjust.
No, I made the swap over a course of a month.

50% water change made up of:

Week 1 - 75% RO 25% tap + gH boosted 50% normal rates, no kH boost
Week 2 - 50% RO 50% tap + gH boosted 25% normal rates, no kH boost
Week 3 - 25% RO 75% tap
Week 4 - 0% RO 100% tap

Water is pre-heated to roughly the same temp (according to my calibrated hand) as the tank and conditioned with Seachem Safe. Macro's are dosed into the incoming water.

This was happening just before the swap, but the swap definitely made it very, very noticeable.

I do agree, pick the plants that enjoy what you're serving. That is the next step. Hopefully they can bounce back, what is left anyway and I get to go shopping again

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Stems still melting... Thought long and hard about what else I may have changed prior to the lower stems beginning to melt.

FLOW! I added the coast-to-coast spray bar and adjusted to flow... So, I added a small Eheim 2213 for circulation purposes with the intake on the opposite side as the main intake / filter driving the heater and reactor and the output directed across the back of the tank....

Adjusted temp slightly up and noticed fish gasping at the surface once it got up to temp, I'm assuming I'm about maxed out on the CO2 if a small temp swing can cause gasping fish. I dialed the temp slightly cooler and the fish are now fine. pH pen is still sitting in Amazon's warehouse, I haven't bothered to order a new one yet... Likely end up with a pH controller anyway once this tank is retired.
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Are things looking any better these days?
Maybe 15% better if I were to try and out a value on it.

Ludwigia super red mini bottom of stems melting back, but on the other hand I'm seeing new growth on mermaid weed, Lloydellia, crypts, L. hippo, Cabamba 'purple'

Lost all the red cabomba... stunted ludiwiga ovalis... Lots going on still.

I also switched to 6 x weekly micros (DPTA Iron) with the same net total as 3 x weekly.

5 mL doses daily Monday through Saturday instead of 3 x 10 mL doses Monday, Wednesday, Friday. Still might need to switch to Fe gluconate to deal with my 8.2 pH.

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4-5 days of no CO2, LED lights dimmed down and no additional T5-HO supplemental light... The tank is looking better somehow? Reds obviously are losing out on color but everything else seems to be doing okay. Something "bad" in my CO2 maybe? I have been using a different supplier the last 6 months or so...

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Interesting for sure.

But 4 or 5 days hard to make many conclusions.

I'll be interested to see what happens in weeks or months.

I'm guessing some will be fine but others might rebel.....but only a guess.

Looking forward to the next update.
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1 week of no CO2.

What I have adjusted to deal without:

Lighting - Reduced Fluval 2.0 to 75% @ 7 hours per day. No T5-HO, no 50/50 Actinic/10,000k LED.
Front Load Macros - 10ppm NO3, 5ppm PO4, 10ppm K.
Daily Micros totaling 25% of what I was dosing (75% reduction, I'm pretty sure I was over doing it with the micros to begin with).

Growth has been fairly good... some "greener" looking reds, slower growth, and the usual amount of algae - which I'm okay with. Hair grass is looking down, not too bad, just off. Gratiola viscidula needs thinned out bad... it's looking the worst, and surprisingly mu bulletproof Myrio mattogrossense is looking ill as well.

I added more Cabomba 'purple' from the 90, and some Myrio tuberculatum and some Bacopa caroliniana, going to toss some Rotala rotundifolia from the pond fish tank (yes I know, it's now the first day of summer and I have YET to clean out my pond and transfer the fish back into it, I have the mosquito population to prove it too ).

Shocking news, Anubias nana 'petite' and Crypts are still doing fantastic without CO2 and lower light.

Going to continue to bump PO4 with each water change, just to see what happens. Keeping NO3 "lower" and K = NO3. Metricide dosing at "normal" rate likely to start happening... might move some ember tetra from the 90 into this tank as the tank is slightly under-stocked at this point.

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AR mini looking good in the FTS:


S. repens took a hit, but has since bounced right back:


Gratiola viscidula looking rough, needs a big trim:


Bacopa 'compact' looking good as usual:


L. hippo surprising me, steady growth - no real colour, but steady growth:


Pogo helferi bounced back nicely, blyxa taking it's time and crypt flamingo is just "surviving":

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I'm digging the experiment, but what made you switch to no CO2?

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4 fold really.

1) Working insane hours - not having a day off in 2+ weeks, then working most weekends while the tank was experiencing massive melting and stunting. It's officially been the slowest / latest planting season in North American history which means my busy season at work is that much longer.
2) I'm smack in the middle of house reno's - Basically all my free time away from work is spent on this at the moment. My other free time is cut between a quick water change + trim (quick being the key point there) while doing my laundry at the same time. No real time to keep the tank in pristine conditions, mix up RO water batches, dose consistently etc. etc.
3) My CO2 tank is now expired meaning I have to buy a new one + fill it. With house reno's going on, I'm financially focused not on the planted tank, against my best wishes of course
4) This tank is being phased out shortly in favor of a larger tank when the reno's are complete, selling off the 90 gallon as well, so I do not wish to keeping spending money on "fixing" and "up-keeping" this tank - more focused on keeping the plants and fish around for easier access during the upgrade, while saving some money to splurge on nicer equipment later on

Other thoughts: I've had a good time running this tank through it's up's and downs, from the get-go I new it would be a 2 ish year project before a make-over was needed. So this tank has begun, grew / aged, peaked, and is now on the down-slope, heading for an inevitable remodel, in this case, an upgrade. I'm not sure what size or style of tank I'll go for - but I have a few ideas bouncing around in my overly exhausted and worked mind Stay tuned for those... House reno's first. I won't be able to keep a nice fancy tank without keeping the Missus happy first I'm sure people can relate

If she had her way, I would have a big, non-planted tank full of blood parrot cichlids or fancy goldies. That is a battle among itself. Don't worry, I'll persevere and be keeping plants still

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Was re-reading through this journal and all I can say is WOW!!

I'm confident I am the most impatient member here... changing something week after week after week....

Updates to come with this tank...
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1 week of no CO2.

What I have adjusted to deal without:

Lighting - Reduced Fluval 2.0 to 75% @ 7 hours per day. No T5-HO, no 50/50 Actinic/10,000k LED.
Front Load Macros - 10ppm NO3, 5ppm PO4, 10ppm K.
Daily Micros totaling 25% of what I was dosing (75% reduction, I'm pretty sure I was over doing it with the micros to begin with).

Growth has been fairly good... some "greener" looking reds, slower growth, and the usual amount of algae - which I'm okay with. Hair grass is looking down, not too bad, just off. Gratiola viscidula needs thinned out bad... it's looking the worst, and surprisingly mu bulletproof Myrio mattogrossense is looking ill as well.

I added more Cabomba 'purple' from the 90, and some Myrio tuberculatum and some Bacopa caroliniana, going to toss some Rotala rotundifolia from the pond fish tank (yes I know, it's now the first day of summer and I have YET to clean out my pond and transfer the fish back into it, I have the mosquito population to prove it too ).

Shocking news, Anubias nana 'petite' and Crypts are still doing fantastic without CO2 and lower light.

Going to continue to bump PO4 with each water change, just to see what happens. Keeping NO3 "lower" and K = NO3. Metricide dosing at "normal" rate likely to start happening... might move some ember tetra from the 90 into this tank as the tank is slightly under-stocked at this point.

Pictures:

AR mini looking good in the FTS:


S. repens took a hit, but has since bounced right back:


Gratiola viscidula looking rough, needs a big trim:


Bacopa 'compact' looking good as usual:


L. hippo surprising me, steady growth - no real colour, but steady growth:


Pogo helferi bounced back nicely, blyxa taking it's time and crypt flamingo is just "surviving":
Are these the Praecox rainbows in this tank- not sure... But, whatever variety they are they are very beautiful.

Love this tank.


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Are these the Praecox rainbows in this tank- not sure... But, whatever variety they are they are very beautiful.

Love this tank.
Thanks for the kind words.

Yes, they are. There is 1 male and 2 females I got from a box / chain store - poor quality stock - plus 1 small female that was bread from these that I raised up, and then 2 males I purchased from a reputable LFS that were already 90% fully grown - much better quality.

2 male and 1 female skull creek rainbows are joining the Praecox currently. All get along nicely.

Feeding a mix of 100% fish flake, 100% fish pellet and 100% kelp/algae flake + the odd frozen bloodworm treat. Planning on a large school of this mix of dwarf rainbows when I set up a larger tank. Thinking males only... I'll see what the LFS can do. That reminds me.. I should ask where they get their stock from. Usually they are open about where their fish are bread / imported from.
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