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I recently moved all plants from a capped soil substrate to an inert BDBS 2" thick substrate.

The result was pearling algae covered plants.
Rather than play with the tank I purchased AlgaeFix.
Having never used such a product in the past, would I use it again?
Most definitely, expedited the situation very quickly vs. the potential loss of many plants.
Granted this bottle will now sit for a long time but that one shot saved $$$ of loss!
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@Maryland Guppy,

I'd argue that you're in the group of folks who know what's going on in a plant tank already and for whom products like AlgaeFix are a useful short term aid rather than a long term crutch. You're not the kind of person I'd be giving a presentation like this to anyway as you could probably teach me a thing or two, too.

Yes, I'm in charge of Clippings. Yes, I know the lady in the HGTV clip gave bad advice about fish; I assumed that most AGA folks know better.
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I added 1/4 tsp KNO3 today to give the Anubias something to chew on. Other than that and some fish food nothing's gone in the tank since the last update.

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Pretty impressive turn around from those pics you first posted! I'm still amazed at all the Crinum you have in there :-)
Really need to get a pic of my friends 180g tank with the 4'+ Crinum in it.


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She finally posted a decent pic :-) First pic was 3 years ago. About 1 year ago I convinced her to add real plants.
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Wow, that guy's got plenty of space to spread out! I've got a nagging suspicion that I'm going to have to get rid of mine before they can get close to being that big. The monster you sent pretty much covered up the surface and that was before I raised the substrate way up in the back.
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Wow, that guy's got plenty of space to spread out! I've got a nagging suspicion that I'm going to have to get rid of mine before they can get close to being that big. The monster you sent pretty much covered up the surface and that was before I raised the substrate way up in the back.
Given the size of the root structure on the monster crinum, and thinking about how many you have, I would almost guess your entire substrate being roots if the ones you have ever got that big.
Granted, if you're not lazy like me you can selectively pull each plant, trim things up and then re-plant. Yeah, I'm not that ambitious


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Given the size of the root structure on the monster crinum, and thinking about how many you have, I would almost guess your entire substrate being roots if the ones you have ever got that big.
Granted, if you're not lazy like me you can selectively pull each plant, trim things up and then re-plant. Yeah, I'm not that ambitious


I just uprooted my big Crinum. Stem was greater than 2 thick, I could not plant anything close by... was like planting in rock the roots were so thick. That was in a 40 breeder. It should flower within a year. As far as I can tell it was not self fertile, so you may need multiple plants flowering or need to save a flower(freeze).


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I just uprooted my big Crinum. Stem was greater than 2 thick, I could not plant anything close by... was like planting in rock the roots were so thick.

They may not be in there long enough for that, but it'll be interesting to see how much space they take up with 2 cubic feet of substrate to grow in. MUAHAHAHA
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They may not be in there long enough for that, but it'll be interesting to see how much space they take up with 2 cubic feet of substrate to grow in. MUAHAHAHA


Soon enough you will know how Rapunzel felt... tangled!


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Sooooooooooo, I've been offered plants by friends at the AGA convention and need to make some room in the tank. While digging around in the storage closet I found a nice big piece of wood I'd shoved in there. Add a good dose of boredom to the mix and the three combined equal a full tank redo. The wife and I visited my parents to drop off an early Mother's Day gift and I grabbed a masonry chisel and sledge from dad. I now have a bunch of smaller rocks to scape with rather than a group of giant stones. Things could get interesting!

Photos to come once things are arranged and the glass and water are clean enough to see through.
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Hmmm. So I have only the option of "like". What if I like very much? Guess I will have to type that here instead :-)
Good to have friends in the right place at the right time - look forward to what you come up with. Just finished listening to Dennis Wong's presentation and now I have a picture of your basic tank in my minds eye....


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Sadly the wood isn't going to work. If I had another piece or two I could have come up with something. Alone it only unbalances the tank. Now I get to play with some rock to accent what's going to end up basically being a plant only tank with no real hardscape. It's kind of sad as I'm staunchly on the woodscape side of the fence but needs must. Hopefully my meager rockworking skills will be up to the task. I sure am glad I only broke down a couple of the worst looking big rocks and still have the best of the bunch available for scaping.

It sounds like you're enjoying the convention. There's nothing like going to an AGA to recharge the batteries and motivate one to improve and/or try new things. I hope you get a chance to sit in on the Sunday auction; those things are a ton of fun. I'm still jealous you were able to go.


Change log; what did I actually do?

1. Removed all of the water out of the tank and did a few rounds of wet/dry vacuuming of water that drained out of the soil every 15 minutes or so.

2. Dropped a bunch of quartered fert sticks onto the glass in the front, covered that with about an inch of substrate and gave it a heavy spray of a mix of Flourish Advanced (plant growth hormones) and the last of the Floraspore fungi spore powder. I then pulled all the substrate from the back half except for about an inch, dropped the rest of the tab bits down, covered that with about an inch of substrate, sprayed it heavily, then sloped the substrate.

3. Once I figured out the wood wasn't going to work I did an initial tidying up of the substrate and then sprayed the remaining mixture all over the surface and will be letting it sit overnight.

4. Tomorrow (5.5) I'll be playing with the rock, doing the final substrate tidying, planting what I have, and filling the tank. After that it's a matter of playing the waiting game.
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Visual association is real. I've been looking through different journals here and there trying to figure out what else I want to put in the tank and every time I see Monte Carlo, S. repens, and L. aromatica 'mini' I feel sick. The tank had a lot of those in it when I was going through chemo. @Immortal1 have you experienced something similar?
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Visual association is real. I've been looking through different journals here and there trying to figure out what else I want to put in the tank and every time I see Monte Carlo, S. repens, and L. aromatica 'mini' I feel sick. The tank had a lot of those in it when I was going through chemo. @Immortal1 have you experienced something similar?
Yes, I have. At the moment, I feel like I have a much better handle on the variables of plant keeping and I think back to all the various plants I have received that I no longer have cause I killed them off.



Something that I just received from Maryland Guppy is Ludwigia polycarpa. His comment to me was "Polycarpa can have 3 colors to a stem. Lower greens, midrange orange, and deep red tops."
Might be a pretty cool addition to your new arrangement.



Joe also sent me some "Hygrophila serpylla, easy carpeting plant. Only been in the hobby for about a year, not many folks have it yet. it'll spread across the bottom with a few wild shoots growing up in the air. Just pinch those off and replant them on the edges." Can imagine you having a large grouping of that in your new collection
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