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post #1 of 34 (permalink) Old 09-13-2017, 05:12 AM Thread Starter
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First Tank 40b

TANK STUFF

Tank: Tetra 40 ( build date may 2017)
Light #1: Beamswork DA fspec 10000k
Light #2: Beamswork DHL 6500k
Filter: sicce Whale 350
Filter Bio media: sicce Bioker
Filter Chemical media: Purigen and sera floss balls
Heater: Fluval M 150watt
Substrate: ADA amazonia

Co2 STUFF:

Co2 regulator: AquaLabs single stage with smc needle valve
Co2 Defuser: 80mm Bazooka

Plants:

Alternanthera reineckii variegated
Cabomba caroliniana
Ammania garcialis
Deep Purple Sword
Ludwigia Repens
Rotala indica
Myriophyllum tuberculatum

Tank Parameters 09/12/2017:
Kh 2-3
GH 4-5
PH 7.0
Ammonia .5 ppm
Nitrate 20 ppm
Nitrite 1.0 ppm

Ok I think I got all the important specs out of the way. Tank was setup a few weeks ago 07/24/2017. Even though I was extremely careful filling the tank up with water the water was always cloudy. The first filter I had on there was a seacheam tidal 75. I returned that after three weeks due to it simply not filtering properly. I then bought a canister filter and used some sera floss balls in the middle basket along with some seacheam purigen. This cleared the tank up. Mind you at first I was doing daily 50-80% water changes. I was filling the tank up using a glass bowl so the water did not stir things up and I was filling about 20 gallons in 1hour. As soon as the water started to touch the ada soil the dust rising from the soil looked like small stacks of smoke. This is part of the reason why the tank did not get planted right away. This cloudiness would leave the whole tank scattered with dust and I did not think it was a good idea to put plants in until the dust clouds settled. I have no clue how those youtube guys fill their tanks using ada soil and it not cloud up. It could have been something to due with my tap water though.

After I got the new canister filter installed and the tank looked clear enough dustin's fish tanks had a bogo sale so I bought the plants from there. The plants were ordered on 09/03/2017 and shipped 09/04/2017 and I got them and planted them 09/09/2017. I was expecting the plants 09/07/2017 but due to the hurricanes in texas the shipment was delayed for two days. Most the plants arrived looking as well as could be expected. I did toss the Cabomba caroliniana in a fire due to every leaf just falling off when they hit the water and there was only a very narrow stem left.

For fertilizers I just bought the liquid NPk+M micro and macro set off amazon. I started dosing the second day of being planted with the micro's bottle on 09/10/2017.

On 09/12/2017 I went to get my brand new shinny co2 tank filled out only to find out every one within 30 miles of me just does exchanges so I exchanged the bottle for 19$ came home and setup the co2 system currently running at 1 bpm but I think I may reduce that. I have the defuser sitting right below a small powerhead I believe it is a 240gpm power head. It shoots across the tank. I have the co2 set to turn on at 7am and the lights turn on at 8am. The brighter light turns off at 2pm right now and the softer light off at 6pm and co2 off at 7pm.

The only plant that seems to be showing signs of grown is the Alternanthera reineckii variegated.

The swords had four leafs on them when I got it but all the leafs now are doing bad and probably dead. I think it can be nursed back to health though.
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Why do you have the last set of lights going off at 6pm, but still have the C02 on until 7pm? It's best to cut the C02 off 1 hour prior to lights out.
What are you planning for fauna? I've got the same light set up on my 150. It's perfect for those that aren't interested in some of the fancy features.
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Thanks for that I info I will adjust the timer then I thought it was one hour before and one hour after the lights. Not sure if I will have both the higher watt light and the lower watt light off at the same time or not. I need more plants though I am not sure if my swords will die off or not. I do not think I will order plants unless I get overnight shipping. I think 7 days in Texas put a lot of stress on the plants.


To answer you about the livestock I am not sure. Probably just plants. Or a few tiger or black ruby barbs. 12 or so should probably be ok But I am not going to worry about until I can figure out how to grow a plant or two.
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Thanks for that I info I will adjust the timer then I thought it was one hour before and one hour after the lights. Not sure if I will have both the higher watt light and the lower watt light off at the same time or not. I need more plants though I am not sure if my swords will die off or not. I do not think I will order plants unless I get overnight shipping. I think 7 days in Texas put a lot of stress on the plants.


To answer you about the livestock I am not sure. Probably just plants. Or a few tiger or black ruby barbs. 12 or so should probably be ok But I am not going to worry about until I can figure out how to grow a plant or two.
I stagger all my lighting. My CO2 comes on at 7am first fixture comes on at 815. Then second fixture at 945. The second fixture is very dim. The C02 shuts off at 4pm and first fixture shuts off at 5pm. The 2nd dim fixture stays on until 8pm for viewing, but it's really dim.
With a decent substrate and a few root tabs and light fert dosing your plants will grow very quickly. Swords, crypts, ferns, and mosses are all very good growers with C02. Stems are a little more complicated sometimes with the exception of Bacopa Caroliniana. That's a good one to have. It's quite frankly is just a perfect stem that doesn't lose its lower leaves and fills in nicely on its own.
I would suggest cherry barbs if you want barbs as some of the others can be nippy. Cardinal Tetras are gorgeous and despite being common they are role model inhabitants. Once you get comfortable you'll want some interesting livestock. Don't limit your choices by using nippy barbs.
A school of 20 Cardinal Tetras, 10 of the same species of Cory, and a pair of Apisto's will keep you entertained for the foreseeable future without some of the common aggression or other factors that take the joy from this hobby. Check out some YouTube videos. I'm doing Apisto's, Cardinals, and Corys in one of my 75 gallons and I'm going to turn my 150 into something similiar.

The plants will struggle in the beginning and you will battle algae and diatoms. It's just the way things are. I had my hands in the tank brushing off diatoms and algae and moving things around 3 times a day for the first 2 months these tanks were set up.p

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Here is what my tank looks like today. I pulled out most the plants that have died/melted. I trimmed most but not all the dead leaves. The stem plants are growing aerial roots which seems to be a good sign. There is not much too see here as I have only planted some background plants. If I can get these to grow I will pick out some plants for the front.

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If any one knows and sees this do you know if the aerial roots should be fuzzy or not?
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I suspect that the solenoid valve on my co2 regulator was leaking a bit with the original solenoid. The rubber piece on plunger was pressed inward and did not look right it is hard to test for leaks , so I shopped around and seemed to me the best deal are camozzi A321-1C2 solenoid valves. This valve has a 1.5mm orifice and is 2/2 way and 1/8 npt. The coil it came with does not get all that hot. The 3watt coil should fit on this solenoid I will test later camozzi sells the 3 watt coils for around 7-10$ it seems so I will search around for one of those.



Later today I will test water parameters and do a 20-50% water change.

Also I reduced the ferts to one pump from each bottle every other day since this tank is only lightly planted at the moment.

Plants seem to be recovering I need to get better at pruning the dead leaves though.
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Last night did 50% water change. Nothing major to report there.
CO2 is running from 730am til 4pm right now.
The bright light is running from 9am till 4pm at 4pm the blues are off on lower brightness light is is off at 8pm. Next week I am going to try locally to find some more plants. Some foreground plants of some type. And some green stem/background plants. the plants here are showing good growth. And are looking almost fully recovered.

Tests as of today 09/20/2017

Nitrate 10ppm
PH 7.0
Nitrite .25
Ammonia 0ppm
kh 71.6 (4 dropps)
GH 89.5 (5drops)
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Well the light came in today and what a difference!!! Both pictures were taken with all the lights in the room turned off and blackout curtains closed. Went with the DA FSPEC. If this light withstands the test of time, it's unbelievable for $56.

A little before and after!
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Nice pics ! Not sure why it's in my tank journal but cool you like those lights.
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Nice pics ! Not sure why it's in my tank journal but cool you like those lights.


Oh dang! Wrong thread hahahaha I'm so sorry, didn't mean to hijack.

Really sorry!


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If it's any consolation, this is on a 40 breeder.


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Plants are looking a bit more healthy. There are signs of algae but nothing that is not to be expected in a new tank. No major outbreaks of algae yet. I have been cleaning the glass once a week when I do water changes. I reduced the bright light to 5 hrs per day and lower light to 8 but I may try to find a dimmer for the lower light to reduce it some more. I am still lightly planted and need some foreground plants. The Alternanthera reineckii is growing good I believe. I think I may have planted the stems a bit too close. For the life of me I do not know if I have Ammania garcialis or ludwigia repens I ordered both but I see only 5 different plants. The Rotala indica seems to be doing fine enough. New growth on the top and at the bottom some dead/dying leaves in the lower middle. The new growth comes in a light green and then over a couple days seems to transition to a reddish color. I have to admit that for a tank that was designed and setup by a 7 year old this didn't turn out all that bad. I just need to get more green plants in there I think she picked out all the red/pink plants she could find. I think she decided that once we finish with the plants and get our parameters under control she wants to add a Royal whiptail. Well we will see about that. Not sure if this tank will be right for that fish or not but she is inlove with it.

I will be running more tests tonight and posting those results. I will also try to get a newer picture but not all that much has changed.

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Parts looking to find: camozzi u7h/g7h

Plants looking to find: I need some large growing green plants to fill in the rear corners. And I need some smaller growing foreground plants.
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Nitrate: 10 ppm
Nitrite: 0 ppm
PH: 7 ppm

Didn't feel like doing the GH/KH tests tonight.
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