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post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old 08-21-2017, 03:36 AM Thread Starter
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New tank 180G DSM

Started new tank 4 weeks ago using DSM. Tank is 60"x30"x24" rimless with 3/4" glass. Setup is peninsula, with a Reef Savvy ghost overflow and Bean Animal. Below is a Lifereef wet dry trickle filter with 3 media filtration canisters - one of which has been modified to be my CO2 reactor/diffuser.

Lighting is 3 GHL Mitras 7006 fixtures - those built for freshwater planted tanks.

Substrate is ADA Aqua Soil Amazonia light.

Seems to be going well so far. Only casualties have been the the stem plants - decimated pretty much immediately. But the various lawns, the whole reason for the DSM, are doing well with no causalities thus far.

I am using an auto mister to do the mistings, generally 1 minute every eight hours with RO/DI water with some hydrogen peroxide mixed into it. Constantly tweaking the misting frequency and going manual every few days to ensure everything is getting moisture. Also draining the substrate whenever I think the water level is starting to reach a level of above the plant's roots. Covered with commercial grade cling wrap.

The other tank is a 72x26x24 reef tank with 4xGHL Mitras 7206s (made for reef tanks), and a LifeReef sump, media canisters, skimmer and refugium. Adding a AquaUV sterilzer and Red Octopus biopellet reactor next. Tank has been running with liverock and water for 6 weeks and all critical water measures are zero ppm. Fish and corals being added.
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I plan a massive school of cardinals, and some discus, which i realize will be a challenge with the substrate and plants.
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Very nice. I see you know your filters. Good choice. Ive been using Jeffs filters since 2005 and the craftsmanship is impeccable, he is very friendly and knowledgeable and stands by his work. He does great custom jobs. Beautiful tanks, little bit jelly of the fish room.
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Tanks are great, but what's under them is just stunning! Just beautiful filtration.


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I plan a massive school of cardinals, and some discus, which i realize will be a challenge with the substrate and plants.
It will be but best thing I could tell u is get adults or at least grow them out in another tank and go from there.

I actually have a 180g planted tank with 75g refugium, holding cardinals and some apisto and rams, which is waiting for my 9 discus that I have growing out in another tank currently.

I have sand on most of the bottom and I just have to make sure I h
Siphon the bottom every water change to make sure it stays nice. But let's see how much more of a pain it will be with 9 or more adult discus.

Here's a pic of a from a month ago I also have a journal on the tank if u want to check out how it's been going so far.

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filled tank with water...now praying

my foreground lawns have done very well. I would say the four leaf clovers and staurogyne repens did far and away the best. They look super healthy. The dwarf baby tears, microsword and glossostigma have faired well enough, just not as vibrant as the formers. All of the amazon swords did ok. All but a couple of stem plants died. DSM is not for stem plants. Cranking up CO2 injection...as I have a sense that DSM tank crashes upon adding water have much to do with lack of CO2.
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An update after a couple months. While the DSM worked, I could not get CO2 into the water once I filled the tank. My reactors were not strong enough, and possibly had to much water exposure to the air. So I ditched the in sump CO2 reactors (I tried 3 different kinds), ditched the wet dry trickle filters, and went with a closed sump. I replaced a blueline 70 pump with 1750 gallons per hour with a variable Ecotech Vectra M1. My flow from tank to sump is now about 400 gallons per hour (3x turnover). But the big change was replumbing my two return lines using massive 2" wide, 24" long Rex Grigg inline CO2 reactors. And now my CO2 is over the top. I have a separate tank and electronic regulator attached to each of the two Rex Griggs. Plant growth is now lush, and algae at bay with high output lights (3 GHL Mitras 7006s). As you can see by the video on Instagram, the tank now has Discus.
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Plant growth has been lush. Will be replacing some of the foreground plants over the next two weekends. Some of them are not growing enough (dwarf baby tears), and others are growing two fast (four leaf clover). Three or four others are doing well - not overtaking the tank, but robustly filling in as foreground plants. Acquiring plants from Pacific Aquarium on Delancey Street in Manhattan as they sell them on 3 by 5 carbon grates that sink and hold the plants in place.

Stemmed background plants need frequent pruning. Using separate CO2 regulators and tanks to feeding CO2 into two separate Rex Grigg custom CO2 diffusers that are plumbed into the two return from the sump.

Fish are 7 Discus and large schools of Ember Tetras and Harlequin Rasboras. I got 50 Cardinals and all died by following morning - unbelievable. Will wait until the tank matures further before trying them again. Tank has had water since August.
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Looks fantastic. Is the mound foreground Hydrocotyle Japan? I can relate to the frustration with the Cardinals. I've found Neons to be much hardier. Cardinals seem to require very long drawn out acclimations... like hours in my experience. I add 30ml of tank water every 45 minutes for several hours. Even then I still lose 20-30% of most batches.

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Looks fantastic. Is the mound foreground Hydrocotyle Japan? I can relate to the frustration with the Cardinals. I've found Neons to be much hardier. Cardinals seem to require very long drawn out acclimations... like hours in my experience. I add 30ml of tank water every 45 minutes for several hours. Even then I still lose 20-30% of most batches.
the foreground is baby tears (didn't really take hold) and four leaf clover (took off way too much). I replaced both today with micro sword and pennywort.
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Fantastic tank. Great presentation and healthy looking plants.

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