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post #1 of 25 (permalink) Old 06-20-2017, 11:45 AM Thread Starter
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Who would have guessed?

No one would ever have known that on March 11th 1968 that an obsession would be born. This was my 11th birthday and I received an iron framed tank measuring 24"x12"x12" from my Uncle Jim. My Dad was none too impressed, but my Mom said what harm is there in it?

He provided the tank, the gravel, the light, the plants (Indian Fern and Cr Wendtii Bronze) glass tops, a small air pump, undergravel filter, airline and stones, over the last 49 years there have been some incredible changes in our hobby/obsession. Who could have imagined an LED light in 1968, and HOB filters were still a thing of the future.

I was without an aquarium for four years during that period, what was I thinking?

The number of tanks varied over the years and the most I ever had was 54, this was when I was breeding corries, 38 ten gallon tanks, 10 twenty gallons three 45's and three 150's. Yes, it was a lot of work but it was a labor of love. Then the local folks decided to go with Marine and the market dropped, from 5 stores down to one in a matter of 12 months. I had previously been able top get between $3 and $5 per juvenile depending of course on which fish we were talking about. No market and one store, so gradually the fish that were left were sold off, then of course breaking down the fish room

So now we are down to one 150 and a 45. The 45 is going to be my first attempt at a planted tank. A few cardinals or neons, possibly some Harlequins if they are available, of course there has to be corries and lots and lots of plants.

I still have quite a lot of bogwood left and I am selling it off to finance the purchase of a CO2 system.

For the substrate I am looking at Turface which is available locally for $19 for a 50lb sack, apparently there are two colors in stock. One is a reddish brown and the other is a very dark brown, choices to be made today on which color we go with.

Apparently lighting is a big issue, so this is something else I need to sit with one or two local experts and pick their brains as to what I need to make sure I get it right the first time.

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In the one remaining 150 I have soil master select purchased 10 years ago, it looks as good today as it did the day I put it in the tank. Maybe my eyesight isn't what it was but to my way of thinking it still looks good. I thought the Turface would be a similar material, ermm nope! This is more like a damp clay, and it did not go as far as I had expected, I am guessing at least one more sack is needed, maybe even two. The one saving grace is that it is only $17 a sack, that and it is available less than a block from my office so guess where I am going to be at lunch time tomorrow?

One of the local experts gave me a baggy full of trimmings this evening so I am definitely going to be busy over the next day or so. I have the chance of a full CO2 set up for $125 that has only been used for 6 months and the current lighting is probably going to be changed over the next couple of months to LED's. Spare cash, whats that?
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I too came from fish breeding to planted. I think your going to love the added challenge and opens up a whole new realm of learning. Welcome to TPT!!

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I too came from fish breeding to planted. I think your going to love the added challenge and opens up a whole new realm of learning. Welcome to TPT!!

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You do realize you have opened the floodgates, now I am going to be asking questions like there is no tomorrow, because I know two things about planted tanks, nothing and beggar all!

Thanks for the heads up on the "whole new realm of learning".

I found out today Turface comes in two forms, a clay and a particulate, guess which one I got? Yep you guessed it, the wrong one. I picked up a bad of the particle version today and it goes two or three times further than the clay stuff. So I capped off what I had in the tank with the right stuff and now I have to wait for the filters to do their thing and I can get the plants in there! If things go the way I have planned I will be re'scaping my 135 , but I do not think that is going to be anytime this year.

The guy that gave me all the trimmings was telling me about LED's that are available at Sams Club, I wondered what you thought about [URL="https://www.samsclub.com/sams/linkable-shop-light-honeywell-led/prod20590154.ip?xid=plp:product:1:7"] that one?

These will be ideal for my 45 but the 135 is going to be a different ball game altogether.

Anyway back to my journal, thanks again for reaching out, it is much appreciated.

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I had to share this! Corydoras Sterbai are my favorite corries so I was on a search and rescue mission, I wanted 6 ideally, not for breeding purposes but if that happens all well and good.

I called one of the local fish store and asked do you have any Corry Sterbai in?

Sit back and read at your peril:

"Yes Sir we have Corydoras Sterbai at the moment", "great says I" how much are they?

(Clerk) "Well Sir They are a good price at the moment we are having a special on them, so they are only $8 each or three for $27.

(Me with a BIG SMILE) Are you sure of those prices?

(Clerk) Yes Sir they are really a good price at the moment, I double checked because I thought they were a little cheap but yes, $8 each or three for $27.

(Me) Ok thanks! click, dial tone.

I guess I buy one, take it to the car and repeat!
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Am I losing my mind or is $8 x 3 = $24??? Why $27? I don't get it... So buy 2 at a time? LOL.. As I'm writing this I think the girl at the LFS may have missed some stuff the last time I was in there... I got 3 pots of crypt parva, 3 pots of crypt lucens, 2 bunches of rotala macandra, a large tissue culture bacopa and 2 Bolivian Rams for $40... I wasn't concerned with the prices at the time I was just happy to find them locally... now that I'm thinking about it she must have missed something. I'm not sure how to make up for that without getting her in trouble...
So any shots of the tank yet?
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>>So any shots of the tank yet?<<

Only a couple but I have yet to figure out how to post them. I am sure it is easy **once you know how**.
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>>So any shots of the tank yet?<<

Only a couple but I have yet to figure out how to post them. I am sure it is easy **once you know how**.
Underneath the text box click go advanced then click manage attachments. Hit browse and find the picture on your computer then click open or double click the picture. Then hit upload and when you post the pics will be located beneath your text. I'm sure there are other or better ways but that's how I do it.

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I started back in the late 60's as a pre-teen '69 IIRC with a gifted stainless Pemco 5 gallon, some corkscrew Val and some guppies. I used 40 watt household bulbs in all my Metaframe and other tanks as the 15 watt tubular bulbs never grew plants well at all. I was mainly keeping Water Sprite and some Crypt Affinis back then.

I started in with 'serious' planted tanks in 1991...



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I had to share this! Corydoras Sterbai are my favorite corries so I was on a search and rescue mission, I wanted 6 ideally, not for breeding purposes but if that happens all well and good.

I called one of the local fish store and asked do you have any Corry Sterbai in?

Sit back and read at your peril:

"Yes Sir we have Corydoras Sterbai at the moment", "great says I" how much are they?

(Clerk) "Well Sir They are a good price at the moment we are having a special on them, so they are only $8 each or three for $27.

(Me with a BIG SMILE) Are you sure of those prices?

(Clerk) Yes Sir they are really a good price at the moment, I double checked because I thought they were a little cheap but yes, $8 each or three for $27.

(Me) Ok thanks! click, dial tone.

I guess I buy one, take it to the car and repeat!
This reminds me of a story from the time of my first planted tanks in the 90's.

I was friends with an Angelfish breeder who had 'connections' in the larger professional breeding and import circles. And I'm visiting him at his house and his attached hatchery shed. He's just gotten in one of the first, wild caught imports of Cory Sterbai, about 12 fish, at some high price.

He liked to brag a bit and was saying how the woman who wrote the AFH magazine's catfish segments was extremely jealous of his jumping this shipment. Supposedly the first ever to the US.

So here are these pretty, reticulated with orange flushed Cory catfish just happy as could be gobbling down live and frozen tubifex and bloodworms in a 40 breeder. I check in on him occasionally as the weeks go by and the C. Sterbai are now breeding and there's new hatchlings he's growing out in his empty Angelfish grow out tanks. He apparently made a lot of money of that one group of Cories. Because the number of fertile eggs were better than he expected, he kept this up for a couple years. For a while those C. Sterbai young were making nearly half of his profits in sales.

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@StevieD, I absolutely love that piece of driftwood, it's phenomenal! Very cool score on that piece!

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@sfsamm Thanks I have had it for quite a while but had it sat at a different angle, thought I would try to move it around a little and see how it looked, VOILA!

The clay Turface is easily seen in the picture towards the left, once it was settled I did not want to disturb it again and have a clay colored water column. So we are hopeful that the plants do well.

@GrampsGrunge I have a buddy in the UK called Ian Fuller who has been called Mister Corydoras, it may be a bit of an exaggeration but it has been said he only has to look at Cory's and they breed. He owns and runs Corydoras World he jokes it is one of the few sites where you have to pay to gain access that does not have naked people on it.

If you specialise in Corries or have an interest in them it is worth every penny. I think it is about $20 a year.
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This looks to be a fun thread. Will be following.. Good luck and welcome.

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@dpeco33 Welcome to my little corner of the interwebs, I am really pleased to have found this site so many folks willing to share their know how, and their cuttings too.

I will be doing a 50% water change today so it is going to be interesting to see if the clay is disturbed in any way or if indeed the particulate cap has done the trick. Fingers eyes legs and toes crossed.

I was given 5 plantlets yesterday evening by a local guy, he tells me they are Lagenandra Meeboldii. I could not find a lot of information on them but see below for what I did find.

Lagenandra meeboldii originates from the south-Indian states Karnataka and Kerala on shaded marshy riverbanks up to a height of 1200 m above sea level.1 This Lagenandra is very variable, there are forms of different size, leaf form or colour. A green and a red variety have been in emersed cultivation in botanical gardens and as paludarium plants by some hobbyists for quite some time. However, the insight that at least the red variety can be kept continually submersed in the aquarium is a rather new one.1 It is probable that some other forms of L. meeboldii are suitable aquarium plants.

In the USA, Lagenandra meeboldii 'Pink' is known as high-growing aquarium plant. According to photos in internet forums, its emersed and submersed form seems to have more longish and larger leaf blades than the red form of L. meeboldii known in Europe, whose leaves have an ovate form and a slightly heart-shaped leaf blade basis. It is not clear whether 'Pink' is another form or whether its different look results from different cultivation conditions and the age of the plants.

So I guess we will hope they make the transition from an expert to a newby without any losses.

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