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So- I know someone who has to get rid of his tank, and I offered to take in some of his fish... They won't all fit in my main tank so four days ago I set up this empty spare I had, a 29. However after some inspection I could not stop worrying that tank might fail someday. It's older, I'd got it used. It had signs of three times receiving some kind of impact- chips in the glass on two outside corners (at the seams) and the trim was cracked through on a bottom corner. Fretted over the possibilities for several days and then just gave in and bought a new tank. (My husband is very anti flood-risk) However I went a bit smaller as the extra heater I have is only 50 watt. I'm not looking to buy a bunch of new equipment right now.

It's a simple tank. I started it off with my old marineland penguin 170 HOB bio-wheel filter, using media pulled back out of the 38's canister, all the leftover fine gravel/coarse sand I had in a bag, and the spare 50 watt heater. I'm planning on keeping this one cooler, at 72 degrees. All the plants are epiphytes or floaters. Have been wondering for a while if I could run a low tech tank with ambient daylight from the window (no direct sun, and what light there is gets filtered thru curtains) like my daughter's snail bowl. (Where hornwort and anubias cuttings absolutely thrive on just snail poo and top-offs every other week) No light, doesn't even have a proper hood- I laid a plastic lid off a toy bin over it. Stuffed some pothos and arrowhead cuttings in the gaps around the filter. This pic is from the original setup with the 29- now everything is on a new 20H and the plastic lid covers the gap.


Hornwort stems two ways in here- tethered onto stones with rubber bands-

And more fastened low on the back wall, rubber-banded onto suction cups.

This bunch of windelov fern is trimmings from my betta tank.

It's kind of the centerpiece plant in here. I've always loved the look of light glowing through foliage.

I also put in some little sprigs of java fern rhizome on a stone out of my main tank, the week's worth of spirodela polyrhiza culls as floaters and more hornwort bis that are too small to peg down on anything yet. Last but not least, a handful of malaysian trumpet snails taken from both established tanks. Not sure yet how I will do the ferts- perhaps with the very low/ambient light these plants will do okay just on snail and fish waste, and only need partial water changes? After all, that's how they were growing in the fish bowl...

It finished cycle this morning. No ammonia, zero nitrite and high nitrates. Did a large water change today while I was switching tanks. I just might go pick up those fishes on saturday. Am I crazy. I never thought I'd have three tanks but having this one set up I really like the looks of it already!
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What was your ammonia source for the cycle?

Why not plant the hornwort stems in the substrate?


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Ammonia source was dead plant matter, snail poo and sinking fish food/peas I dropped in for the snails. Did an "instant cycle" by transferring over filter media that already had the beneficial bacteria established. I'm still testing it a few more days to make sure- but I did have ammonia spike the first 2 days.

Hornwort has never done well for me planted in substrate- the ends of the stems don't root, they just decay. In my main tank I have it just as floating plant. Before I have tied it down to stones like this- and then periodically trim off the lower end of stems and re-tie when they get too tall in the tank trailing all over the surface...
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Well, not ready yet. Tested the water this morning- Ammonia is rising at 0.25, Nitrite just above 0, Nitrate 20ppm after I did a 30-40% wc yesterday. I know it's not precise, but I don't really feel like going out to buy pure ammonia, and I have plenty of fish food on hand -some that need to get used up it is expired and I would just feed it to my worm bin.

So I picked out more mts from the other tanks and tossed them in here last night. There must be at least 20 or 25 now. Do snails communicate alarm to each other? I swear after just a few days it's getting hard to see any in the established tanks to catch- either they are hiding from me or I have got all the ones that tend to crawl around topside and the rest prefer to stay in the substrate. I know I have not even dented their population in there.

They gather around the sinking food but don't consume it very quickly- so I have been siphoning out food every other day when it starts to go moldy, and dropping more in.


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Pulled out food that was starting to fuzz, dropped in another algae wafer. I raised the temp on this tank to 78 to encourage the beneficial bacteria growth. Cycle is in full swing- Ammonia still 0.25, Nitrite spiking at 0.5ppm, Nitrates look about 20-30.

Ordered poly filter a few days ago, before I realized my snails are actually okay, it came yesterday. So overnight I put a piece of it in the HOB just to see what it would pull. I didn't get the color indicating copper- good. Instead it turned a pale orangish brown. Which means it's absorbing organics (hopefully that isn't a setback on the cycle) and maybe iron. I did drop in some sterilized chips of granite from coarse gravel under my deck, to hold down the hornwort stems. Perhaps some of them have a bit of iron, but maybe that would just help the plants- I don't think it's enough to cause harm. Tested pH and it was not affected.


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Well it doesn't look like much yet.

After having it set up it for a week decided I don't like the row of suction cups holding hornwort stems across the back wall. Too conspicuous. Removed them all, sterilized more granite chips and used those to tether down the stems instead.

Did some cleanup- the hornwort plants had shed a ton of needles. It seems to be the ones that came out of the main tank, those from the snail bowl are doing better in here. Probably because they didn't have as big an adjustment to make.

Windelov ferns look fine.

Spirodela polyrhiza doing poorly in here- it tends to pile up in a corner pushed by the current, and there were a lot of shed root hairs. I took most of them out and replaced with more culls from the tenner. I'm guessing the swordtails might eat this plant, that would be its purpose in here...

The tank water was starting to look slightly cloudy- so I cleaned out a lot of plant debris yesterday. This morning it's clearer. I'm still siphoning out the food once or twice a day as it starts to mold, and dropping more in. Trumpet snails doing fine (they seem glad of the food offerings as there is no algae). Cycle is progressing- Ammonia test was a solid yellow today, Nitrites 2.0 ppm.
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Hornwort to me in the aquascaping hobby is like, that plant that only some people use cause they Wanna. lol im not a hornwort guy >.> go big or go home a.i.r?
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Ah, well, I'm not trying to make this a nice scape. It's a temporary tank to house some fish this guy has to get rid of and no one else will take them. More'n a year ago hornwort was a main plant in my tank- not just a floater- because hey it grew. And it did look kind of cool with all the wispy horizontal lines of the needles massed together. I actually got a lot of comments on that. So I thought since I want this tank to have plants but not put a lot of effort into it, I'd see if I can grow undemanding stuff in ambient light... hornwort fits the bill.
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Hornwort to me in the aquascaping hobby is like, that plant that only some people use cause they Wanna. lol im not a hornwort guy >.> go big or go home a.i.r?
Hornwort is ok to make a temporary bunch of plants where you need something.that's what I use it for.Like in the background until you aquire a bunch of stems to take it's place.Good place for platy fry to hide out too.It'll never root though.

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It has been a long time since I cycled a tank, so I read back up on it not sure if I'm doing something wrong that's slowing it down? or just impatient. I'm still at zero Ammonia, over 5 Nitrites.

I raised the temperature- but the heater can't seem to keep the tank at 80- at night when I turn down the thermostat for the house it drops to 76. I've added in another handful of gravel from the established tank, and another half dozen or so malaysian trumpet snails. I cleaned out some dying-off hornwort stems because the cloudy water bothered me, and I've been siphoning out fish food every morning that's getting white fuzzy mold, replacing it. This removes less than 1/4 gallon water, which I top off with new, dechlorinated.

Is it a good idea to have the snails in there? I don't know if their waste is significant enough to add to the cycle. I realize now I should not be keeping the tank so "clean". Hazy water actually might be a good thing, the decaying organics will feed the bacteria, right? Should I also leave the food to rot in there and just bear with the mess of fuzzy mold, siphon it all out in the end. It really is difficult for me to stand, looking at it.

I saw a suggestion somewhere to tie lump of fish food into a cloth so not as much mess escapes into the water column. But if I'm adding a bit of food every day to keep the bacteria fed, I'd have to untie that messy cloth every time?

I've also got plant cuttings in the HOB and on the sides of it where the makeshift lid leave a gap- pothos and arrowhead. I don't know if this is a good idea, either- do the plants consume enough ammonia to slow down the cycle, or do they help...

(Yes I realize the hornwort will not root. I'm not expecting it to.)
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It has been a long time since I cycled a tank, so I read back up on it not sure if I'm doing something wrong that's slowing it down? or just impatient. I'm still at zero Ammonia, over 5 Nitrites.
I saw on you tube someone did a quick cycle by using the water he rinsed running filter's floss in.
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It has been a long time since I cycled a tank, so I read back up on it not sure if I'm doing something wrong that's slowing it down? or just impatient. I'm still at zero Ammonia, over 5 Nitrites.

I raised the temperature- but the heater can't seem to keep the tank at 80- at night when I turn down the thermostat for the house it drops to 76. I've added in another handful of gravel from the established tank, and another half dozen or so malaysian trumpet snails. I cleaned out some dying-off hornwort stems because the cloudy water bothered me, and I've been siphoning out fish food every morning that's getting white fuzzy mold, replacing it. This removes less than 1/4 gallon water, which I top off with new, dechlorinated.

Is it a good idea to have the snails in there? I don't know if their waste is significant enough to add to the cycle. I realize now I should not be keeping the tank so "clean". Hazy water actually might be a good thing, the decaying organics will feed the bacteria, right? Should I also leave the food to rot in there and just bear with the mess of fuzzy mold, siphon it all out in the end. It really is difficult for me to stand, looking at it.

I saw a suggestion somewhere to tie lump of fish food into a cloth so not as much mess escapes into the water column. But if I'm adding a bit of food every day to keep the bacteria fed, I'd have to untie that messy cloth every time?

I've also got plant cuttings in the HOB and on the sides of it where the makeshift lid leave a gap- pothos and arrowhead. I don't know if this is a good idea, either- do the plants consume enough ammonia to slow down the cycle, or do they help...

(Yes I realize the hornwort will not root. I'm not expecting it to.)
This is the part where you have to be patient.the nitrites will stay like that for awhile,then one day they'll be zero and be replaced by nitrates.The bacteria that coovert nitrite into nitrate take longer to grow then then ones that convert ammonia.Just wait.
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I saw on you tube someone did a quick cycle by using the water he rinsed running filter's floss in.
I did that at the beginning. The entire filter media piece in my HOB came out of the canister filter in my bigger tank. I'm afraid that I stalled the cycle by cleaning out the molding food, and having the temp too low...

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This is the part where you have to be patient.the nitrites will stay like that for awhile,then one day they'll be zero and be replaced by nitrates.The bacteria that coovert nitrite into nitrate take longer to grow then then ones that convert ammonia.Just wait.
Thanks for the reminder! It's hard to wait. The best time for me to pick up the fishes is a weekend- so I'm really hoping it will be ready in three more days. I've had a tank cycle in as little as four days when I did a media transfer before, but this one is taking longer than I expected.

Oh well. At least it's giving some plants time to grow so it won't be as sparse. I'm going to take cuttings of the hornwort tomorrow to multiply it around some...


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