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post #1 of 20 (permalink) Old 02-17-2017, 11:29 AM Thread Starter
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Arrow "The Upside Down" A 20 long.

Been planning this tank since December.

Substrate:
MGOCPM 1"-1.5" Black Diamond Cap 1" Used a bamboo spear and marked inch and half inch marks on it to measure depth. Worked out great as you can feel the transition when poking the sub.

Lighting:
Finnex 24/7 SE 30"

I plan to keep it topless.

Flora:

Dwarf baby tears in the foreground.
Pogostemon erectus in the rear left or a simular looking plant
A red plant just behind the driftwood. I found some Ludwigia Palustris which I think will work.
Wisteria in the rear right
S. Repens where appropriate underneath the driftwood.
Flame moss on the wood itself.
Water Spangle, Water lettuce

I debated the moss for a while and I think I want flame as opposed to something like Christmas to maximize space so that the moss shadow doesn't affect plants below it as much. and an up and down profile seemed appropriate.

Fauna:

Endlers
Neon tetras
Cherry shrimp
Corydoras or Otos.
MTS
Dwarf Gourami

Equipment:
Eheim 250
CO2 injection. DIY at first, may upgrade.
one powerhead for internal flow.
Deadwood soaked it for a month, baked it for 60 min on 200 and it came out delicious. I restructured it with hot glue. It has since dried out but it sunk fast when I was soaking it before.


Starting a DSM in the next week or 2 with the Dwarf Baby Tears. Never worked with it before but I want to give it time to grow out and root well. If it does not go as I plan I will switch to Monte Carlo.

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The cherry shrimp might be an issue with a dwarf gourami, in my past experience dwarf gouramis have been aggressive to anything small enough to eat.

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1st round of plants received. HC, anubias nana, and some flame moss. HC and Anubias looked great. Flame moss stank and looked crappy. I assume it fell off the stank gel while being shipped. Looks decent underwater though. I have those 2 in my 5 gallon while I DSM the HC.

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Nice start! Loving the name. Stranger things reference?
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Yep. Stranger Things and my deadwood is an upside down bush so it seemed appropriate.
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10 day update on DSM. All is well.

I open all 4 corners and let the tank breath every evening before lights out. I do this until the condensation on the inside mostly goes away. Usually half an hour. I have had no mold and no issues at all really. One snail appeared which I dispatched.

I started with the water line about an inch under the HC. The sand cap is still damp and that is what I wanted. I misted heavily once a day every day for the first few days and now I don't mist at all unless the inside walls are not covered in condensation in the afternoon. I added a small amount of excel and api leaf zone to distilled water for my sprayer but not much.

I expect no noticeable growth for the first 2 weeks as the plants acclimate, repair from my pinch and ripping from the coconut husk, and grow new roots. There really wasn't any planting going on with HC Cuba. It was mostly me forming a shallow depression into the sand and mushing them in.
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Looking good! Are you going to put anything on the wood or leave it as-is?
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No no no, don't put ANY excel on the dry start, I've seen people kill a nice carpet that way, I hope you didn't add much! Good luck
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Looking good! Are you going to put anything on the wood or leave it as-is?
Flame moss. I have Anubias nana Ill stick somewhere and there is a plant in a jar in there now Im going to tie somewhere at the top of the wood. It is a rhizome plant but I have no idea what it is aside from that it really likes water. Found it in my creek at the high water mark. .



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No no no, don't put ANY excel on the dry start, I've seen people kill a nice carpet that way, I hope you didn't add much! Good luck
Too late. I read on one of my research searches that somebody did it to control algae. I didn't add much at all and have not had any issues from doing it.
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The cherry shrimp might be an issue with a dwarf gourami, in my past experience dwarf gouramis have been aggressive to anything small enough to eat.

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my gourami's do fine with cherrys. he doesn't even notice them, even though there are hundreds.
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Too late. I read on one of my research searches that somebody did it to control algae. I didn't add much at all and have not had any issues from doing it.
Usually people will spot treat with excel in a flooded tank, it works very good killing algae that way but I have seen people ruin a beautiful dry start with straight up excel, If you diluted enough hopefully you'll be ok, I've done a couple of dry starts with DHG and UG and never had to add anything but water, keeping the tank sealed and high humidity is all you need...good lighting helps too
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Update. No issues. I am now seeing growth. I also have a few random yellow leaves. Growth far surpasses yellow leaves so I can't explain it. Damage from transfer? Opinions? No idea but there is definite growth. My goal was to have a solid rood system, not full carpet. No floating HC. Secondary goal is a cycled filter. My ehiem has been cycling a 5 gallon bucket for a month. When the nitrite leaves, Im ready to flood as soon as I buy plants and pick an F-Day.

I cycled a 5 gal tank with plants in it recently. My nitrate of course was off the scale. Plant heaven When the cycle was over and I did a water change and added livestock half my plants melted in protest. I am not excited to recreate that.
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Almost 6 weeks in. Everything is on track. I had some random yellowing of some leaves. I decided I was giving too much light. I was putting in 14-15 hours of full light my 24/7 SE would provide. I changed it to the 24/7 mode and the plants stopped freaking out. I noticed I have snails but they are not being bad so I won't start a war with them.

I very rarely ad water, perhaps once a week. The one plant in the lower left is just below all the other plants. If I have too much water in there, that is the first one to experience flooding. An odd observation was that my water level appeared to raise in the day and lower at night. I think the condensation was staying near the top of the substrate line by constantly condensing and then dripping down the sides. When I air the tank out at night, it would lower it just below the substrate line. I took this to mean my water line was just below the substrate level. A few days of extra airing out fixed this. The water looks disgusting when it is just visible.


I'm ready to flood now but my schedule is hectic the next couple weeks so that is the only thing holding me back. I just wanted the HC to root well which if it hasn't by now it isn't going to. I'd hate to wait for a full carpet only to have it die on me after flooding.

My next step is to buy all the rest of the plants I'm going to put in and then flood it. I think I will be able to do that later this month. Fingers crossed!
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