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blue eyed rainbows looks promising if they're not jumpers.
I think the group as a whole are leapers. Mine certainly are! But they are lovely fish.
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I think the group as a whole are leapers. Mine certainly are! But they are lovely fish.
Sadly this would rule them out for me.
Not going to compromise light availability in any fashion with screen or glass!
Cory's & H.rasbora it is, "veni vidi vici".

Good Evening All:
Tank is going dark as the moon phase is on the rise!

Captured a few pics this eve.

rotala ramosior has started with purple tips and aiming toward the light.
About 8 stems and seems like an easy transition.


eriocaulon compressum not as green as I'd expect but over 1 year old.
Been moved many times but now about 6" tall.


Ludwigia Atlantis with very "Orange" tops!
3 trims and I tossed all of the bottoms to date.


rotala mexicana green. This is a very small plant by all means.
It is growing well and branching but is dwarfed by all others.


Pics not so great but I'm not going to spend the time to try and "Dress them up".
Once I zoom in with the phone colors shift to a lower Kelvin value, so be it!

A few losers IMHO are AR variegated which has done nothing for weeks.
Never transitioned to submerged, didn't melt, didn't grow, just sat there and stared back @ me.
Hygophila corymbosa Kompakt has been about the same, a few new green twisted leaves but nothing to write home about.

If God doesn't save them before the weekend they both may hit the trash!

As I type this post this eve Clint Eastwood is riding out of town in the movie High Plains Drifter on an awesome horse, so my attention span has drifted considerably!

A possible weekend trip is coming up pending a rain event.
Two local rivers that may contain the very red type of mermaid weed?
Local friend has shown me two access points to park the car and investigate.
This could be a big win if I can get access.

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Native Mermaid Weed - this should be interesting :-)
L. Atlantis is looking very similar to mine now. Nice colorful addition to many planted tanks.
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Evening All:

Thursday & Friday vacation days!!!!
Originally this would have been 4 days @ camp with horses.
Not so, much rain is in the forecast and I may not get to look for any plants in the local ponds either.
I may have to build an Ark for what they are calling for!

Normal evening therapy, some trimming going on.

Got to looking into this rotala florida ramosior.
The prices people are selling this for is of the hook, over $10 a stem.
Maybe I need to drive to Florida with an F250 and a lot of bushel baskets to bring this stuff back!
Just keep it tarped and damp until I get it home to put in the pond!
I also mean the outdoor ponds, not the 3 tanks in the house!

From what I can tell so far this plant transitions to submerged growth with no issues.
Coloration to mostly purple tops in 5 days with @ least 3/4" of new growth.

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I picked up 10 stems of the but could not keep it happy living in the soup I was providing at the time. Pretty plant, but the leaves were a lot smaller than I was expecting.
Curious, don't you have one of those Everglades fan boats to use on the local ponds? :-)
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I picked up 10 stems of the but could not keep it happy living in the soup I was providing at the time. Pretty plant, but the leaves were a lot smaller than I was expecting.
Curious, don't you have one of those Everglades fan boats to use on the local ponds? :-)
I can only hope you didn't pay the high price I've been seeing.
From what I can tell it is a small leaved plant so far.

No, I don't have the boat with the airplane engine!


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Good Evening All:

Trashed the AR variegated, showed no sign of nothing for like a month.
Was still brittle like a twig and the same green leaves.
Just have to write that off as never buying an emersed bunch of that again!

Big mistake, went to LFS? Came home with one bunch of ammannia gracilis.
The top 4-5 inches was already transitioned so not too bad.
I just trashed the bottoms knowing how this usually goes.
One more bunch of peruensis came home with me too, I like the look of this a lot.

Rainy weekend but no need to build an Ark!
I mean it rained but no washed out driveway etc...

So, an update.
Rotala ramosior doing well.
Tank not looking too bad.




Two years ago roughly I started with the capped soil.
I was sold on it for sure, it provided great instant gratification.
Is the capped soil better? It's a tough call, too many variables.
I've decreased KH, rolled my own micros and who knows what else.
60% or better of all species are growing better without the capped soil.
On the flip side the 33G which still has capped soil is doing very well.
I don't give it the attention that the 80G gets but still?

Till another eve:
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Evening All:

I am searching for an emoji that is a punch in the mouth.


New business:

A new macro solution has been made.
No longer will I re-mineralize RODI water.
I've added Mg & Ca to the macro bottle, increased bottle volume so increase of dosage.
The CaSO4 is added last and never fully dissolves so before drawing a dose the solution must be shaken.
No longer adding any alkalinity/carbonates/bicarbonates to the tanks either.

The larger doses encouraged me to purchase some new glassware.
3 larger graduated cylinders and 3 new beakers, macro dosing could now be a 40-60ml dose.
Evilbay provided a $20 solution for this so little out of pocket.

New 12.5" long pipettes for drawing HCl from the bottle.
Leaning the bottle and pouring in a cylinder is testy.

The single most beneficial item of late is the reduction of KH.
I've not been aggressive @ dropping KH levels either.
One tank with RODI and the other with HCl.
The soil capped tank seems to add alkalinity back to the water column but not much.


Plants:

My enemy, shade, has made be lose about 4 stems lately.
Not that they will be missed but sometimes it's difficult to keep up with trimming.
Trimming every night gets out of hand so nights like today I sit in front of each tank a bit analyzing what is going on.
Snap some pics and contemplate what I could maybe do better?
The art of observation is an area many fall short on.

A few sales and a few freebies went out recently.
Would never know I removed a single item.


Species related:

Erio compressum I posted a pic of a few posts ago has now split into three.
Not ready to separate but an amazing change in this plant for me.
Erio vietnam is getting ready to do the same, it is very new to me.

S.repens did not like the conversion from capped soil to inert substrate.
Been waiting it out and have about 6 stems now to replant.
The base of this mess is covered in BBA but new growth is great.
Shame it took over 14 weeks to recover from the change to inert.


Horse related:

I've not been riding yet this year.
Past several weekends I've contemplated building an Ark, we've had so much rain.
It will happen soon and the tanks will hit the back burner again until the season is over.

Night All:
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Good nite MG
I may need a break, looking like a move back to TBR and talk to myself for a bit.
Just fill up my journal with updates as deemed needed.
Not a big fan of FB which seems like many are moving to these days.
Yes, I follow but post very little there.

New XL pipettes arrived today so no more dripping acid on my hands.
Dosed my 33G tank to kind of check them out, makes drawing HCl from the bottle much easier.

A trimming kind of eve getting ready to start.
I no longer travel early am, don't have to be in till 11am.
No more rush hour traffic is a blessing!


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I may need a break, looking like a move back to TBR and talk to myself for a bit.
Just fill up my journal with updates as deemed needed.
Not a big fan of FB which seems like many are moving to these days.
Yes, I follow but post very little there.
If solitude is your goal TBR looks like a good way to go.

As to FB, I just recently joined some groups there. IMO, a poor way to learn much about planted tanks.

Most worthwhile discussions are too detailed/nuanced for the format. Seems mostly like folks with little to no experience offering advice to those with little to no experience. Not many really interesting in depth debates, and lots of folks who just like to stir the pot and are pretty rude.

That being said, I have also seen some very nice tanks too. Some heavy hitters in the planted tank world hang out there, and I've been trying to learn more about their methods. Unfortunately the format doesn't really lend itself to that.


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I tried to follow a few FB groups too and it's a horrible format! So much easier and makes more sense via the thread/forum format! I ended up hiding all except my local fish groups on FB.

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I'm a member on many of the private groups on FB.
Even a few that many of us despise the members there of, mind you only to see what is going on.
I don't post there, maybe 3 posts per year?

Here the decimal point doesn't count regarding Fe dosing!
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So I tested KH levels this eve.

80G @ 2dKH & 33G @ 2dKH
Give it a few days and I'll drop both to 1dKH.
The 80G will be with a larger WC of RODI and the 33G will be quick and easy with HCl.

Takeaways:

I've dropped KH very slowly to observe both very different tanks.
Plant growth has accelerated but all are not primo growth.
Some adjustment time and a few trimmings are needed, shouldn't take long.
This is not with all plants mind you, just a few.

Algae has made a turn.
All long stringy hair algae is gone since the AlgaeFix treatment and stayed gone for 14+ weeks.
Transitioning emersed plants have lower leaf algae as the leaves drop.
Part of the transition and I can live with.
S.repens is not trimmed yet and has significant BBA on lower portion.
The glass is very clean but when a spot of algae appears it's a large green dot, 4-8mm in size.
Never has it been like this before the lower KH levels.
Instead of cleaning the spots off I'll just watch for a bit.

Sometimes the algae is worth watching and not to freak out about.
I've even tried growing specific types with no success, you always grow what you don't want to observe.

The big wins:
Blyxa japonica has gone ape shiitake, every little stem has rooted quick and turned into 5-6 extra plants.
Erio compressum has divided into 5 plants, not just 3.

Back to "The Trim"
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Now that you mention it - my Blyxa japonica is actually looking pretty good living life the 2dKH life. Previously when I was living the 6-8dKH life the roots would basically rot off and it would float away. Figuring it had to do with the fert level, I moved sever to the 20g low tech tank which gets very little ferts. They looked better eventually but not great. Two were left to struggle in the 75g tank - looked like crp but still alive. Now, theres 3 and they all look pretty healthy. Hmmmmm.

Learn something new every day. Good Nite.
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