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@Greggz Yeah, I know, pictures needed bad instead of talking out my arse.

Not enough time in any given day lately.
Spring is here, been involved with trees, logging, firewood.
Cleaning up my field, dragging and excavating near the gates.
Electric fences need some love and wire tightened.
Horses all need their hooves trimmed.
I also have to play kickball with them every so often.
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@Opare Emersed is not a good topic for me.

Transitioning emersed to submerged has been evil for me.
If I purchase submerged growth it is never a problem and grows well.
Tissue cultures seem to be about 75% in my favor.
LFS near me has a few nicely planted display tanks.
They will sell trimmings from these tanks occasionally for Like $3.
No transitioning on my part and great success.
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Fair enough your air may just be very supremely dry.


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Emersed is not a good topic for me.



Transitioning emersed to submerged has been evil for me.

If I purchase submerged growth it is never a problem and grows well.

Tissue cultures seem to be about 75% in my favor.

LFS near me has a few nicely planted display tanks.

They will sell trimmings from these tanks occasionally for Like $3.

No transitioning on my part and great success.


Emersed collections, for the most part, shouldn't be about growing plants for your submersed tanks!! That's what grow out tanks are for... Emersed tanks should be used for cool things like flowering plants or keeping things that don't do well grown completely underwater & other fun stuff like that. Honestly, emersed tanks mostly just make the collectoritis worse, usually in expensive ways!

Although, I agree that if you're having serious issue transitioning most plants from emersed you probably need to increase the humidity of the emersed system.


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But if I may.......would really be nice to see some pictures!.
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Pics or it didnt happen!!
90 degree day for drying out the dirted mix.
552cu.in. of Scotts Premium
184cu.in. of SafeTSorb
414cu.in. of Miracle-Gro
1 pint of Aragonite (kind of just a sugar coating)
On average 1" of drywall bucket depth is about 92cu.in.


Corner filter Poret foam from Swiss Tropicals.
Cut the glass and silconed it in, also made a substrate barrier @ bottom.
Barrier is PlexyGlass but only siliconed to bottom of tank.


One of the farms, it is a total mess, WC this evening, trimming not sure.
The 80 is going in this tanks place, under wall mounted TV in basement living room with 2 other 4' tanks.


Canopy made of cheap pine, rustic look, dual hinged.
Flip up the back to get to plumbing, front lifts for about anything else.
Either is wide enough to allow access for trimming etc.
This design is working well and very rarely the need to remove canopy.



Going to try and put soil in and at least get a 1" border of BDBS around edges.
1" of soil will stand up on it's own now after drying today.
Need to wire all pucks in the canopy next and purchase LDD boards.
Thinking of running it where it sits to test pump/spraybar until the dreaded exchange.


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See what happened!
I post some pics and everything just stops.
Seemed better with the verbal illusion and being imaginary pics.

As usual things happen and get in the way.
Plumbing is now finished.
Got a pump behind that Poret foam with a union.
This travels out the back through a CO2 reactor and back in the tank to a spray-bar.
Have yet to drill the holes in the spray-bar.
Contemplating angle of holes for best coverage.
Having several spray-bars in use I have a plan.

Came upon about 100' of 22AWG 4 conductor wire to get LED pucks going.
Great find @ work, almost in the trash before I re-purposed.

Another re-purposed find that threw a hitch in my progress.
A chemical treatment controller was found.
Reads temp, pH, ORP, Fe, Cu, and conductivity.
All readings can be keypad programmed to turn on relays for various uses.
Going to just use it to analyze water on a monthly basis.
Testing is all done now and it works!
Let the turbidity meter portion go to the dumpster, kind of know my water clarity @ this point.

Trying to get some BDBS rinsed before this day is done!
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Probed around with a marked toothpick and 1" of soil is confirmed.
Over this weekend got 1.25" or so of BDBS on top of it.

I am very paranoid of this soil thing since it is my first tank with such.
Lots of NH3 & PO4 leached into the bucket water.
Don't know how much will leach through the BDBS???

Going to run this tank with no light in my shop for a week or two.
Determine the water chemistry before an algae farm starts.

Brought the lava rock boulder in the house this evening.
Trying to determine where I want to cut it at.
No driftwood in this one, last driftwood event took 14 months to slow down the tannin.
I want some structure in the tank, raised level or 3 with some plants in it.

This weeks goals are cutting up the lava rock, mounting all 7 dual pucks in the canopy, and ordering boards for my LDD drivers.
That is enough considering the re-organization of my room to accommodate the new tank.

The chemical treatment controller is awesome.
Need to calibrate the pH probe and all is well.
Going to mount all the equipment on a board with a fill port and dump valve.
When I wish to perform a test open dump valve to extinguish plumbing and fill with a 6 ounce water sample.
Once turned on the system is solid after about 6 minutes with accurate readings.
The pH reading takes some time to stabilize.
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The chemical treatment controller is awesome.
Need to calibrate the pH probe and all is well.
The pH reading takes some time to stabilize.
pH readings are all screwed up for me.
Calibrated high end probe and a small pH probe(ebay cheapy).
They read the same with tank water.

Tried confirming with API test kits as a test.
High pH reads the minimum and Low pH reads the maximum.
Since they cross @ 7.4 and 7.6 this is not possible.
Have to believe the electronic probes verses the titration tests.
API kits are also all within the expire date and shaken regardless.
All electronic probes were calibrated with a 7.0 solution only.
That is closest to actual water pH for me anyway.

Just trimming the jungles and preparing for the move @ this point.

Bought a ton of Buce from a fellow member.
It will need to be incorporated in the new scape too.
It is doing well and growing about 2 leaves per week.

This planted tank thing is bizarre.
It seems as though I need a vacation day every two weeks to just trim.
Too many species and too many plants going on @ once.

Science Project Continues!
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Some fuzzy pics from trim tank #1.
Getting ready by trimming and using plugs and weights.
Damn this can take up a lot of time!
Need everything very mobile for the change up of tanks.
I have really let this tank jungle out for this swap.






Glass has not been cleaned in a month+.
Just keeping ferts up and letting it go.
Many easy plants nothing difficult but that can change.

New 80 is about half full waiting on water test for ammonia and phosphate.
Water is clear, BDBS wasn't much to clean.
All fish are being rehomed to a friend.
Cycling new tank may be not needed since it may be no-fish!


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Could not wait to get home and test water today.
30-35 gallons of water on the substrate yielded only .25ppm of NH3!
BDBS must be really tight @ keeping the soil from leaching nutrients.

I guess once planted this NH3 would just be consumed?

No NO3 or PO4 in the water column either.

Since plants will tap the soil resources should I dose water column @ all?

Should I consider just dosing water column with EI mix to keep NO3 @ 10ppm?

I could use some suggestions here please feel free regarding that 1" layer of dirt under there.

Going to wire canopy tonight with my standard 42watt pucks.
7 pucks decided upon. 3 on filter side and 4 on non filter side.
Going to pre-adjust these to 100 PAR @ substrate for non-filter side.
50 PAR on filter side.
Maybe high light the middle and dim the ends? Any thoughts?

The quantity of pucks is for coverage not so much their capabilities.
I have just standardized on puck design due to existing materials on hand.
PWM dimming is a great thing!


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Could not wait to get home and test water today.

30-35 gallons of water on the substrate yielded only .25ppm of NH3!

BDBS must be really tight @ keeping the soil from leaching nutrients.



I guess once planted this NH3 would just be consumed?



No NO3 or PO4 in the water column either.



Since plants will tap the soil resources should I dose water column @ all?



Should I consider just dosing water column with EI mix to keep NO3 @ 10ppm?



I could use some suggestions here please feel free regarding that 1" layer of dirt under there.



Going to wire canopy tonight with my standard 42watt pucks.

7 pucks decided upon. 3 on filter side and 4 on non filter side.

Going to pre-adjust these to 100 PAR @ substrate for non-filter side.

50 PAR on filter side.

Maybe high light the middle and dim the ends? Any thoughts?



The quantity of pucks is for coverage not so much their capabilities.

I have just standardized on puck design due to existing materials on hand.

PWM dimming is a great thing!


I would dose for the water column feeders since not all I assume will be root feeders? Not sure there would be enough nutrients in water for them yet?


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You may be able to get away with dosing for a while, but I think a little bit won't hurt after maybe a month. Something lean should work though like the ADA regime, PPS-Pro or even crazily enough the Seachem regime. The target ppms for each should be floating around the internet somewhere.
As for where to put light intensity I guess that depends which plants are going where.

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Day two water test and all is good.
No more water added just validating what may leech from the soil.
Still .25ppm ammonia and I can live with that.

Reckon I will need to dose something.
Thinking I will target 1ppm of PO4 and 10ppm of NO3 in the water column @ all times.
If it stays put it may only require once a week.
Fair approach I suppose.

Trim tank #1 is back to pearling again since a partial trim.
Think was due to too much growth shading other plants.

Tomorrow I will fill to the top and drill spray-bar.
Swapping these tanks on Saturday is my goal.

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Day 3 and .25ppm of ammonia and nothing else.
Leak test passed tonight, even though it is brand new.
Small drip coming out of reactor, forgot to tape threads on exit side.
Spraybar seems to be churning the tank well enough.

Running on the side of the shop.
Cheap Marineland light stuck in there at the moment for picture taking.
It didn't work to well with the shop lights off though.


Tomorrow will be "D" day for the move, all seems well.
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