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I had a 20L get hit hard with it and it was brutal. took 8-10 weeks of intense pruning of affected leaves (which were aplenty) and wiping the sides and vacuuming the sub - every week with a 70% WC. Along with direct peroxide spray underwater, just before the drain with the current off. And a double dose of metricide right after.

Bunch of midground stuff in there mostly. Big-leaved plants got hit the hardest. Was pinching leaves off faster than the plant could replace them. But finally it began get less and slowly clear up, plants were still growing well so most things eventually made it.

No idea where or how it originates. Came on mine all of a sudden, 3 small tanks all had a brief spell of it around the same time. Only the one turned into a long drawn out issue. Never any sign of it in the big tanks.
joe was this the 20L with some type of aquasoil? or very old BDBS? my tank's been going through something similar to MG's after i switched over to miracle gro but not as bad and I wonder if it's just an organics issue


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joe was this the 20L with some type of aquasoil? or very old BDBS? my tank's been going through something similar to MG's after i switched over to miracle gro but not as bad and I wonder if it's just an organics issue

All three that experienced a mild breakout were small sand tanks, 20 gal, ranging from 6 months to 2 years old. Out of those 3 only one got a bad case of the stuff.


I really think it had something to do with HCL dosing. The 20s were always very prone to suffer plant damage if I didnt immediately stir the water up real good after adding the HCL. My theory is that the plants got unknowingly damaged and became susceptible to it. But its just a theory
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I really think it had something to do with HCL dosing. The 20s were always very prone to suffer plant damage if I didnt immediately stir the water up real good after adding the HCL. My theory is that the plants got unknowingly damaged and became susceptible to it. But its just a theory
If this was my 33G I would think I was onto something.
This tank had much HCl dosing and no issues.

The 80G has been all RODI since the substrate change.
Maybe I dropped the tank .5dKH once or twice.
When I use HCl it's always in the corner filter and gets diluted and takes a while to get sucked up and go through the spraybar, then travels across the surface.
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Evening All:

Third AlgaeFix treatment happened yesterday.
This was only to eradicate the hair type algae.
The dreadful stuff is kind of at a stalemate now!

I can finally say I see lots of good new growth.
Much trimming is still needed but not in the cards for this eve.
Isn't that what the weekend is for?
Only in the eve, more deck work is upon me.
Tested furnace this eve and all is working well and a twelve point buck is most likely going down in the early morning!

I really need to get these tanks back on auto-pilot in a hurry.


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Evening All:

Third AlgaeFix treatment happened yesterday.
This was only to eradicate the hair type algae.
The dreadful stuff is kind of at a stalemate now!

I can finally say I see lots of good new growth.
Much trimming is still needed but not in the cards for this eve.
Isn't that what the weekend is for?
Only in the eve, more deck work is upon me.
Tested furnace this eve and all is working well and a twelve point buck is most likely going down in the early morning!

I really need to get these tanks back on auto-pilot in a hurry.
A 12 pointer you say? Have you been tracking him long?
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A 12 pointer you say? Have you been tracking him long?
Only tracking with the camera on a tree.
Passes through in the early am.
Past week several times.


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Only tracking with the camera on a tree.

Passes through in the early am.

Past week several times.


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Good Evening All:

I changed my title and I hope it's not a lie!

I actually have red plants again!
That is the new growth @ least.

The problem algae finally just stopped?
No more on the glass or plants, a bit floating about but not reproducing.
I have a lot of messy plants with new tops but very poor bottoms.
I can live with this and allow them to grow back up!

I'm trimming so I'll grab pics after the diatom filter clears things up.
The problem algae has released from the glass and ends up on the substrate.
No longer in the large quantity when multiplying daily.
I know damn well AlgaeFix didn't stop the growth since bucket tests failed.

My trimming tray is no longer as green as it was, if anyone noticed that pic.

Tank is filled with plugs and mini-solo-cups with capped soil.

I'm a little bit excited and hope it holds true!!!
Some pics for tomorrow for sure!

Regarding that deer, I hope my eldest son nails that one Monday early am.!!!
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Well my photos arevery poor compared to everything I have seen here this eve!

May not look like it but algae is under control now.


Red tips are starting to come back finally.


I've decided that I am going back to capped soil.
Not in a hurry for this but getting prepared.
Once all is trimmed, looking better, and in soil cups it will happen.

Tested all my tanks yesterday for every parameter I can check.
Only surprise was 80ppm NO3 in my 75G.
Going to do several 20 gallon WC's this week to bring this lower.

Made a KCl storage solution for pH probes.
Soaking them all to determine what to keep and what to trash.

KH readings seemed a bit off this go around.
Made a weak acid .1 n solution to test alkalinity with pH probe and titration method.
Today test showed .5 dKH difference roughly.
Going to do a 3 point pH calibration on the best probe and weigh out solution one more time.

Till another eve!
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did you bump up the ferts in the tank infested with the algae? sorry havent been keeping up with the journal
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did you bump up the ferts in the tank infested with the algae? sorry havent been keeping up with the journal


Id say he did but it was by utilizing capped soil. Supercharge plant growth to overtake algae.


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did you bump up the ferts in the tank infested with the algae? sorry havent been keeping up with the journal
Not really.
When NO3 reaches 10ppm I dose 25ppm
Fe is usually .15ppm when this happens so I dose .10ppm


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Id say he did but it was by utilizing capped soil. Supercharge plant growth to overtake algae.
These cups are so small I doubt much gets in the water column.
I felt that if I didn't go with the cups all plants would be lost.

Seems like when I got the worst plants into soil cups the rotting stopped.
Think the rotting plant matter was feeding the algae outbreak not so much the ferts.
The hair algae that AlgaeFix did correct was a bi-product of all the turmoil.
This is just my take on it, I could be all wrong???


I wish this on no-one for sure.
Maybe I reacted too slow thinking it would correct itself?
Tend to wait things out too long just to see what will happen.
It does add a notch on experience though!
The next 3 weeks will get a maintenance dose of AlgaeFix per week.
Don't want the hairy green to impact all this new growth.

Need to clean my Poret foam, should I use bleach or a weak acid?
This is a serious question, replies welcome.

Need to buy more of those mini-solo cups too!
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Need to clean my Poret foam, should I use bleach or a weak acid?
This is a serious question, replies welcome.
I would use vinegar and then flush it with tap. Bleach can damage the plastic material and is deadly to fish and plants.
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