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If its the algae Im talking about it'll eat the 1-2 punch like an afternoon snack, burp in your face and ask if you got any more.

Nothing kills it that doesnt kill the plant in the process


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If its the algae Im talking about it'll eat the 1-2 punch like an afternoon snack, burp in your face and ask if you got any more.

Nothing kills it that doesnt kill the plant in the process
This is an interesting mystery.

Have not seen this particular algae before........and from the sounds of it hope I never do!!

Keep up the fight and good luck MG.


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If its the algae Im talking about it'll eat the 1-2 punch like an afternoon snack, burp in your face and ask if you got any more.

Nothing kills it that doesnt kill the plant in the process


Sounds like my daughter lol. Man, I canít wait to see how this turns out.


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If its the algae Im talking about it'll eat the 1-2 punch like an afternoon snack, burp in your face and ask if you got any more.

Nothing kills it that doesnt kill the plant in the process
After the beaker tests I knew this was the case!
Heck I might kill the plants and the algae would survive.

Tank is in really bad shape since 4 days of complete neglect has occurred.
Yeah ferts got dosed, phish got fed but that was it.

Not much better with my deck project for the extended weekend.
Stainless steel nails for the air nailer didn't ship in time so all boards are in with 3 zinc coated nails per board till Tuesday.
Lumber did not ship on Friday so I had to pull a trailer from the side yard and get it myself.
Rain plagued some of the afternoon today, Murphy's law to the extreme.
If it weren't for bad luck I'd have no luck at all!!!

The up side? There is not one right now.
I'm so tired that sipping whiskey is not very appealing this eve.

There is no plan but I'll being trimming in some fashion tomorrow eve.
Need to let these old bones rest before next weekend's continued deck project!
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After the beaker tests I knew this was the case!

Heck I might kill the plants and the algae would survive.



Tank is in really bad shape since 4 days of complete neglect has occurred.

Yeah ferts got dosed, phish got fed but that was it.



Not much better with my deck project for the extended weekend.

Stainless steel nails for the air nailer didn't ship in time so all boards are in with 3 zinc coated nails per board till Tuesday.

Lumber did not ship on Friday so I had to pull a trailer from the side yard and get it myself.

Rain plagued some of the afternoon today, Murphy's law to the extreme.

If it weren't for bad luck I'd have no luck at all!!!



The up side? There is not one right now.

I'm so tired that sipping whiskey is not very appealing this eve.



There is no plan but I'll being trimming in some fashion tomorrow eve.

Need to let these old bones rest before next weekend's continued deck project!


You must be Irish with that type of luck lol.

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Good Evening All:

Changing about 15% water every other eve.
Keep dosing up to standard.
Trimming every species in the tank for clean up.

Started diatom filter this eve and will run for 2 more days.

Losses so far L.cardinalis, L.aromatica, and regular AR.
These just got covered and turned to mush.
There surely will be more losses and many items are growing in other tanks.

I now have mini solo cups with capped soil testing some plants, trying to save.
Will get some pics up before the end of the week.

What a mess!
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Man, that would make me desperate enough to start trying bleach dips.

I hope you get this figured out.


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Good Evening All:

The status of things is still not good.
This is the typical cleaning and trimming in the tray.
The mini solo cups are being used with capped soil.
More of a test to see what happens.


This crap is everywhere.
Nothing chemical will kill it without killing the plant.


Diatom filter just before a recharge.
Tomorrow I will need more diatomaceous earth.
Found 24lb locally for just under $30.


More losses, L.repens, L.sp.red and polycarpa looks like holy hell.
Aromatica mini will be the next to go I am sure.


This tanks Future:
Am I disappointed, the answer is yes.
Giving up, heck no!
Going to keep cleaning and try to salvage what I can.

When some point of equilibrium is achieved with what is left I'll tear it down.
Capped soil will be the go-to in the future and ammannia species will be coming back.

The last weekend of deck replacement is upon me with minimal tank progress going on.

My only worry is how to clean the tank?
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Wow MG that is one the craziest things I haven ever seen.

Looks like a wildfire of algae devouring everything in it's path.

I wonder if you will ever figure out the root cause? I sure can't.

Anyway, really just wanted to lend some support and let you know I feel your pain. Having just been through an episode, I know how frustrating it can be.

Hopefully some how it recedes. Good luck and keep the updates coming.


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Hey MG, I don't think it was mentioned but does light reduction slow it down? Since the entire tank is affected, does say, a week of half intensity light make any difference?


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Fascinating problem. I wonder if a level 1 UVS would tamp down enough algae spores to help in eradication.
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Damn dude that's awful! Yeah thats the stuff I was talking about, and wow you got it bad. Gonna be interesting how this turns out. I cant think of anything to help that you arent already doing.
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Looks like a wildfire of algae devouring everything in it's path.
I think the green algae that is easily dispersed cover the plants thus causing damage.
Melting plant matter has brought on some but not much hair algae.
Quick dip of affected plant with an algaefix solution kills the hair algae.
The problem algae still remains though..


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Hey MG, I don't think it was mentioned but does light reduction slow it down?
I reduced the right side from 115 to 85 PAR.
Think this stuff grows during moon light too.


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Fascinating problem. I wonder if a level 1 UVS would tamp down enough algae spores to help in eradication.
Same UV I have used for green water doesn't touch this.
Buying another UV of some other type is not in the cards right now.


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Damn dude that's awful! Yeah thats the stuff I was talking about, and wow you got it bad. Gonna be interesting how this turns out. I cant think of anything to help that you arent already doing.
Oh, it's the stuff alright, downright sinful, the spawn of Satan himself!

If I move species to my capped soil 33G this algae does not propagate.
It just dies off after a few days never to be seen again.
Both tanks are identical in parameters other than capped soil in the 33G.

Tomorrow I will have the media for the Diatom filter, lots of square feet of decking took up the day, so I didn't make the trip.

Going to trim in the 33G this eve and see if I can move salvageable plants to it.
33G is tight, almost completely filled, no visible substrate now.

Cleaning this tank and Poret foam is my concern right now.
I have peracetic acid, sulphuric acid, and HCl available but I am hoping bleach @ the right ppm will kill it.
Don't think citric and phosphoric acid will "kill" since they are very weak.
I'll pull algae samples from the next diatom filter change out and test in beakers with each.

By the way my phish are doing very well!
Rasboras & corys are loving life these days.

Till Another Eve:
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No big deal. You can fix this by maintaining the same KH as before. Then, maintain the same water parameters and do not change water. You said you have Ramshorn snails. You need to feed them, give them spinach every day so they work on cleaning your plants and multiply as crazy as possible. Chemicals will not help here. You need tons of snails to help your plants to survive now. You know very well what NO3, PO4, K and Fe your plants need. Give them little Ca and Mg and they will be fine.

Ah, and do not reduce light intensity, it hurts plants. They love light. May reduce photoperiod but not intensity.

Does it sound crazy enough?
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Does it sound crazy enough?
Crazy eve, Yes!
Buy in @ 9pm for $500 on a hold'em game and cashed out @ midnight and I'm $600 up, not too shabby.
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