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Biggest thing about sand in my opinion is if you go thicker to have Malaysian trumpet snails to mix the sand up to keep it from getting gas pockets. But if you are under 2" I would think that shouldn't be an issue.

However being on Hawaii, I was telling my wife this when we were on Kauai and Oahu about two weeks ago, I would have a saltwater setup for sure. Thinking that I could possibly catch my own salt water fish, that is if it's legal and collect my own saltwater and just run it through a fine filter to keep the crap out of the water.

300g 6' acrylic aquarium acquired, in process to build/setup/plan setup

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Had to restart the 20H again. As it turns out, capping fresh Aquasoil/powersand with bdbs is NOT a good idea!

The tank's had a wicked green water bloom for the past 6 weeks. The slightest disturbance would bring it on, like pulling 3 stems of something up. In the beginning my little portable 5 watt UV would knock it out but for the last month it wouldnt even touch it. So bad you couldnt see 3" past the front glass.

So I decided to just restart it.

Inspired by @Xiaozhuang 's low NO3 dosing routines, and @Saxa Tilly 's recent results in the Dutch and Kill Tanks , Im gonna try and see if I can duplicate their results dosing NO3 around 15 ppm/week.

The new substrate is all BDBS with a fairly heavy application of Osmocote+

Put down just enough sand to cover the bottom first to keep the O+ balls from rolling around. Then top it off with the rest.



Light is four T5HO with a sinlge reflector. Par at the sub is about 95

Daily dosing:

NO3 - 2.5 ppm
PO4 - .8 ppm
K2SO4 - 1 ppm
Fe - .1
Mn - .03
B - .03
Zn - .03
Mo - .001
Cu - .0015
Ni - .0003

Usually do water changes every 6 days in all tanks, so those amounts are dosed 6x between water changes.

Also 15 ppm K and 7 Mg 1x each week after a water change (tap has 35-40 ppm Ca)

I believe this is pretty close to Xiaozhuang's daily routine (sans a little urea and uber rich soil). For weekly totals it's almost a match to Vin's current routine in the 180.

Im also starting this routine in the Aquasoil 50. Up until now macros were about the same dosed 1x week after water changes. Most things doing well, some arent, but that's a story for another day.

Plants are a mixture of "nutrient hogs" and a few Lythracae sprinkled in for good measure.

Three days old



Left side is Staurogyne purple, Ludwigia sp red, Clinopodium brownei, Penthorum sedoides, one Pantanal, in back three wallichii and three Ammania crassicaulis...and a nana snow white Anubias (thats color on the lower leaves, not algae )



Right side is Blyxa novoguineensis. This plant was blood red when I got it from Vin about a month ago, 35 ppm NO3 per week quickly took care of that. We'll see if it colors back up with lower levels

Other plants over here are Ludwigia senegalensis, Rotala mini butterfly, a few Rotala sunsets, one tiny sprig of mac variegated you cant really see, in back is Ludwigia palustris

Fissidens fox log is there to give a baby bristlsnose pleco a place to hide and some wood to gnaw on. He's under there now you can barely see the tip of his nose



So....we'll see how it goes!


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Burr even your test tank looks great!

This should be very, very interesting. I'll be watching closely.

Great idea and really looking forward to seeing where this goes.
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Burr even your test tank looks great!

This should be very, very interesting. I'll be watching closely.

Great idea and really looking forward to seeing where this goes.

x2 on Greggs comment - stellar looking 20. I would post a pic of my 20g tank but, uh...... no
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looking forward to this experiment.

did you weight how much osmocote you poured in?


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Great experiment! Eager to follow... just one note Joe: is .04 ppm of PO4 daily correct? Or did you add one zero by mistake?
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looking forward to this experiment.

did you weight how much osmocote you poured in?
Eyeballed it. Ive started tanks out with more, and usually a little less, so I knew the general ballpark I wanted to be in

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Great experiment! Eager to follow... just one note Joe: is .04 ppm of PO4 daily correct? Or did you add one zero by mistake?
Crap, yeah that's supposed to be .8, not .08. Good catch!
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Hi Burr,

The wonderful color rendition you get in your tank has me itching to go with different bulbs. I have 5 very old 6500k bulbs (Sunblasters with the Deflectors) in need of replacing. What would you recommend? I have Odessaís so I would love to have the red really pop.
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I am very curious about this experiment, especially about Lythraceae plants. I hope you will be willing to try to stunt them eventually, so that Pikez is not the only plant killer out there.
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Hi Burr,

The wonderful color rendition you get in your tank has me itching to go with different bulbs. I have 5 very old 6500k bulbs (Sunblasters with the Deflectors) in need of replacing. What would you recommend? I have Odessa’s so I would love to have the red really pop.
Having all 6500K will give very poor color rendition. To make colors pop you need heavy red and blue in the mix.

Forget about intensity or nitrates or whatever, while those things are important, as well as general plant health - nothing affects plant color as much as the color of the light shining on them.

Couple pages back I posted pics of Crypt flamingos under two different lights. I'd just received in the mail. Same exact plants in the exact same condition, the day after they arrived. Under one light they were bright poppin pink, under the other light they were just a drab brown.

As far as how plants look to our eyes bulb color makes all the difference in the world

For four bulbs I like

1 x 3000K
1 x 420 actinic, or ATI purple
1 x Deep red like Powerveg 633 or 660
1 x Pink flora type like giesemann super flora, Zoomed flora sun, pretty much any aquarium brand with "flora" in the name will do



With 5 bulbs you could throw a 6500K in the mix, and you might wanna go with two flora types instead of the 3000K, depending on how 'warm' you like it. If you dont want to spring the cash for a Powerveg you could do a flora in place of that.

All of them will grow plants just fine, it's only a matter of what you think looks the best.

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I am very curious about this experiment, especially about Lythraceae plants. I hope you will be willing to try to stunt them eventually, so that Pikez is not the only plant killer out there.
Oh trust me if these dont stunt I can show you some that are. We cant let Vin have all the fun!!
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I am very curious about this experiment, especially about Lythraceae plants. I hope you will be willing to try to stunt them eventually, so that Pikez is not the only plant killer out there.
I did a spit take when I read that.

Thanks for the LOL!!


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For four bulbs I like

1 x 3000K
1 x 420 actinic, or ATI purple
1 x Deep red like Powerveg 633 or 660
1 x Pink flora type like giesemann super flora, Zoomed flora sun, pretty much any aquarium brand with "flora" in the name will do

This is yours? Are there seperate reflectors? Seems like red and blue don't have reflectors

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Thanks for the advice! I will order some bulbs this weekend. Everything does look lack luster under the 6500ks.
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Hey Burr which tank did the Ammania crassicaulis come out of?

Mine is turning the corner, and looks a lot like those. Just curious what environment they were in?

I just plopped mine in the tank seeing what it would do. The one stem is now three, and if it continues to improve, going to have to find a real spot for it.


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This is yours? Are there seperate reflectors? Seems like red and blue don't have reflectors
That's the Oddysea over this new 20. It only has one reflector for all four bulbs. Which is fine because I didnt want monster light, just the bulb options.

The big tanks all have individual reflectors
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