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I have no doubt my planted tank life would be somewhat easier with a lower fish load....but it is what it is.
Been thinking a out this quite a bit (no, not going to lower my fish load!). I agree that a heavy rainbow load changes the game a bit. I need to vacuum the surface of my sand each week to keep things happy in my tank.
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As to adjusting ferts based on fish load, here are my thoughts. Base your dosing on what the tank tells you, not what you think should happen. Every time I lowered NO3 thinking the fish load would take care of it, some plants rebelled and I ended up going back up. I don't factor in a thing for fish load, and just dose based on what the plants are telling me.

Great idea!!!

I just started playing.......having a nice glass of Scotch right now!!

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Been thinking a out this quite a bit (no, not going to lower my fish load!). I agree that a heavy rainbow load changes the game a bit. I need to vacuum the surface of my sand each week to keep things happy in my tank.
Curious - what do you (or anyone else, for that matter) use to vacuum your gravel? Just a simple tube with a siphon hose - like a Python?

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Curious - what do you (or anyone else, for that matter) use to vacuum your gravel? Just a simple tube with a siphon hose - like a Python?

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Yes, exactly that. I have one with about a 2 inch opening, and one that is just the 1/2" or whatever size tubing. As @burr740 warned a few pages back, be careful with using just the tubing. The suction is incredibly strong. It will rip both plants and fish to shreds if you do not take care!

But as @Greggz (do we all drink now???) learned in his journal, the syphon is also great for removing all your sand substrate during a swap!
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Yes, exactly that. I have one with about a 2 inch opening, and one that is just the 1/2" or whatever size tubing. As @burr740 warned a few pages back, be careful with using just the tubing. The suction is incredibly strong. It will rip both plants and fish to shreds if you do not take care!

But as @Greggz (do we all drink now???) learned in his journal, the syphon is also great for removing all your sand substrate during a swap!
3/8" id tubing (usually found on medium gravel vac) works very nicely at getting into tight spots or getting a piece of substrate with BBA on it. Yes, it will tear plant leaves if you are not careful.

As for @Greggz - too early for a drink ;-)
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3/8" id tubing (usually found on medium gravel vac) works very nicely at getting into tight spots or getting a piece of substrate with BBA on it. Yes, it will tear plant leaves if you are not careful.

As for @Greggz - too early for a drink ;-)
Great bits of info there, thanks to the both of you.

And as @Greggz once told me, you can't drink all day if you don't start early!

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Great bits of info there, thanks to the both of you.

And as @Greggz once told me, you can't drink all day if you don't start early!
LOL......I've said a lot of things.....but I don't remember that one!

I'm guessing cocktail hour will start around 8:30 pm tonight (New COVID schedule!).............so maybe I'll drop in here and mention myself then so others can join me!!


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LOL......I've said a lot of things.....but I don't remember that one!

I'm guessing cocktail hour will start around 8:30 pm tonight (New COVID schedule!).............so maybe I'll drop in here and mention myself then so others can join me!!
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So like promised, @Greggz here saying here's to you Joe for all the inspiration and support over the years.



OK, now I'll quit muddying up your thread.....but remember.....you started this!!


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Spent the last hour and a half down a Youtube rabbit hole looking for a good drinking song to post. Finally settled on this one. Not exactly what I had in mind to begin with but I find it.....pleasing

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Joe, you should definitely try uaupes in your bdbs tank/s. I have some articles on syn and on a micro propagation article it stated higher survival rates in a certain species in sand over vs some nutrient mediums and soils. This was a tc article. But heck they come from sand in the wild and uve already grown belem, giants, and so on right? I dont see how uaupes is different as long water kept soft and acidic.
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Two interesting new species not yet in the hobby. A mini Mayaca variety that stays small, not officially ID'd yet. And Physostegia purpurea, dark green leafy plant that gets about softball size.



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Joe, you should definitely try uaupes in your bdbs tank/s. I have some articles on syn and on a micro propagation article it stated higher survival rates in a certain species in sand over vs some nutrient mediums and soils. This was a tc article. But heck they come from sand in the wild and uve already grown belem, giants, and so on right? I dont see how uaupes is different as long water kept soft and acidic.
Hey Dennis. I think you'd probably be right. Most Syn and Tonina Ive tried in sand grew fine as long as the KH was low. When Ive tried them in my regular tap with 5-6 dKH they couldnt really deal with it, sand or soil. Some of the same species would do alright but about half would not. I got tired of wasting them.

To get the low KH I have to use HCL, which is kind of a pita and also risky if not done just right. These days Im not doing any of the sand tanks, only two 75gal soil tanks where I keep all the soft water stuff.

It's interesting you have a study that some plants might actually prefer sand. I think Downoi varieties might too just from personal exp, and Rotala wallichii for some strange reason always does better in sand. Both could be KH related though and Im sure others have different experiences.


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...interesting new species not yet in the hobby. ...Physostegia purpurea, dark green leafy plant that gets about softball size.
Intriguing! I like hearing about new non-stem plants so I had to look into this more. It's a very pretty wildflower when not submerged. Under water it looks very crypt-like. Almost like a missing link between crypt and sword from the more mature plant I googled up... Staying softball size sounds great too. Hope it does well for you!
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Bunch of degenerates around here...

Spent the last hour and a half down a Youtube rabbit hole looking for a good drinking song to post. Finally settled on this one. Not exactly what I had in mind to begin with but I find it.....pleasing

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfkq-Ov7WSw

I didnít know we were listening to drinking music and drinking sorry I missed well have to do it again sometime.


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