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post #1 of 37 (permalink) Old 02-27-2010, 06:40 AM Thread Starter
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60g moss and shrimp tank (56k warning)

It seems like the thing to do when starting a new tank is to start a journal.

Since I actually have a vision for how I want this one to look, and what I want it to be, I thought I'd give this a shot. Previous tanks have mostly been hodgepodge affairs. There's a method to the madness this time.

The vision is to create something that isn't too busy, and mostly use texture, rather than color to create interest. My main tank has a ton of colorful plants. Here, I'm trying to stick with only green. Let's see how long that lasts.

I also want this to be a lower maintenance tank. So, no CO2.

So, the vision is to use a manzanita hardscape. Currently, I'm not planning any rocks. I'll probably also introduce some small pieces of malaysian driftwood as plant/moss anchors where needed.

For flora, I will use mostly moss attached to the wood, likely adding in some anubias, and various green stems. Especially to start. We'll see what stays long term. I'm also going to try an HC carpet. I've never had carpeting plants before, so we'll see how it goes, and if I actually like it.

The idea is to use multiple different types of moss and have the different textures create the interest. We'll see how that works out.

For fauna, I want to also keep the colors simple. Snowball shrimp inspired the tank, so they obviously get in. I'm also thinking of perhaps some wild-type tiger shrimp (more subtle coloration than CRS or Blue tigers). For fish, a similar palette, and they obviously have to be shrimp compatible. At this point, I'm thinking silver hatchets. And perhaps some of the more simple colored tetras. Bleeding heart maybe? Suggestions in this area are definitely welcome, but I'm somewhat limited by local supply. I'm not willing to have fish shipped in, since I'll already be having shrimp shipped in.

That covers the concept. Next, the equipment list.
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The equipment list:
60g tank and stand
3x54W T5HO lighting (Catalina). Probably overkill, but I'm upgrading the light on my 75g, and taking this one.
3x sponge filters. Ugly, but shrimp friendly.
Substrate: Tahitian moon sand. I like the color, and already had some from a prior project.

Anything else relevant here?
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And, now to justify the 56k warning.

Here's the blank slate. The stand has doors. It just seems that I bent one of the hinges when I took it apart to paint it. So, the doors are on hold until I can get some new ones.



And here's the giant pile of work that arrived today, courtesy of Manzanita Burlworks. All I can say is wow. Highly recommended. I showed him a picture, told him what I liked about it, and he came back with a fantastic package.



Here's what I put together. Critiques welcome (and desired). The thin piece, 2nd from the right (mostly vertical) is going to be turned into a moss tree. I'm planning to zip tie on a few more branches at the top to create a more flat surface for moss. Hopefully, the weeping moss I got is true weeping moss.



Any comments on the hardscape?

Once I decide I like it, I'll take it apart, and get to work soaking and sinking the pieces I'll be using. Once I saw how much wood came, I decided against my initial plan of soaking everything, and sorting it out later.

One thing to note: I'm planning to use glass tops, so the wood above the top of the tank will be broken just below the top, or the piece will be buried a little. Between the hatchets, and living in a very dry climate, tops will be a must.
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Love the wood! I definitely want to use manzanita (madrona) in my next tank.

I have driftwood and coconut shells covered in cladaphora in one of my tanks. It is really beautiful, but very slow growing.
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Starting a pretty ambitious project! I think this will be really great in the end. Although, the wood 2nd from the right could stand to be moved somewhere else. I don't like it's shape...

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i'm curious as to how much that bundle of wood cost ya since i'm thinking about getting some for myself as well. thanks and looking good

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this sounds great. moss and shrimp are a tasty setup and will look awesome in a 60g

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This is promising
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@seds: There's a fine line between ambitious and crazy. I'll let you know which side I'm on once I figure it out. I'm not looking forward to planting this. There's going to be a ton of moss to place, and a ton of HC to plant. My hands hurt just thinking about it.

With the wood 2nd from the right, the plan is to zip tie some more branches to it where it starts curving horizontal, and use weeping moss on the top for a tree like effect. If I can actually make it look like I see it in my head, I think it will be cool. If I didn't have other plans, I would be looking for something else to put there. I don't like it as it is, either.
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@!shadow!: It was a little over $100 shipped. They have other, smaller packages, but I had to get their biggest package to get some bigger pieces. I didn't want the look of a 4' wide tank with a bunch of small pieces of wood.

The upside is that I have a *ton* of wood left over. I barely put a dent in what I got. So, when I want to rescape my 75g.....
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Love the wood! I totally need do something similar when I set up a shrimp aquarium.
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I fail at planting moss...

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Looks like you are off to a great start
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I think I crossed over ambitious, and into crazy.

I didn't really know how much work I was in for. The answer? A lot.

At this point, I'm most of the way there. I'm not sure how much farther I want to go with moss, but it's easy for now, since I'm out of most of the types of moss.

I used super glue (gel type) to attach the moss to the wood, rather than the conventional way of tying it. It's kind of a pain, but I was definitely able to get moss in places I wouldn't have been had I tied it. The tree would have been a real bear. However, if I were to do it again, I might tie most of it, and only glue the pieces that need to defy gravity.

There are some issues. I don't know if I love the pennywort, but my RCS like it, and I have a ton, so I guess we'll see.

The piece of wood that goes on the left side doesn't want to sink. I may have to resort to extraordinary measures to get it to sink. The main piece in the middle isn't quite there either, but resting a rock on it seems to be keeping it in place. The rock will come out at some point.

It also seems like my fissidens is dead. I think I'll give it a week or 2, but I'm not holding out a lot of hope. I think it just wasn't getting enough light where it was in my other tank.



Time to wait, now. I probably also have a spot for fissidens and 2 more types of moss. I'll probably wait until I ID the "unknown" moss (see next post) before I decide which types I want.
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Fauna:
10 lamp eye tetras
8 silver hatchets
4 otocinclus

Flora:
Hemianthus callitrichoides
Fissidens Fontanus (probably dead, though )
Pennywort
Didiplis Diandra
Bacopa Caroliniana
Mayaca Fluviatilis
Anubias Coffeefolia
Notocyphus lutescens (rare liverwort)
Suesswassertang
Flame moss
Willow Moss - Frontinalis antipyretica
Willow Moss/rare - Frontinalis hypnoides
Taiwan moss
Unknown moss (likely either taiwan or peacock. Sold as willow, but clearly not)
Weeping moss (Sold as weeping. Don't know yet if true weeping or not)
Blyxa Japonica
Cabomba Carolinia
Rotala ?? (Seller thought it was indica, but I'm not so sure.)
Plant similar to mayaca fluviatilis
riccia fluitans

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