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Havent seen much growth lately, want to dose flourish

Hey guys so like I said I have not been seeing very much growth in a tank of mine. I have not been dosing any liquid fert, just had a few osmocote plus tabs in it under a few plants. I was thinking I would get Flourish and see if that helps. Should I start with just that or get trace as well?
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Seachem bottles several fertilizers in separate bottles so you can customize the dosing to suit your tank. They are all called Flourish, as in Flourish Nitrogen, Flourish Iron and so on. Plants need over a dozen elements to live.
Dosing just one or two of them as fertilizer might work if there is a fair amount of fish food, which decomposes into fertilizer, but is low in a few nutrients.
Here is a link to a recent post that details what plants need.

https://www.plantedtank.net/forums/11...-elements.html
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Seachem bottles several fertilizers in separate bottles so you can customize the dosing to suit your tank. They are all called Flourish, as in Flourish Nitrogen, Flourish Iron and so on. Plants need over a dozen elements to live.
Dosing just one or two of them as fertilizer might work if there is a fair amount of fish food, which decomposes into fertilizer, but is low in a few nutrients.
Here is a link to a recent post that details what plants need.

https://www.plantedtank.net/forums/11...-elements.html

Ok thanks! I went to the link you posted and I saw the dosing regime link in that post.
75gallon
50% H20 change-weekly
3/4 Tsp-KN03 3x a week
3/16 Tsp-KH2P04 3x a week
1 Tsp-GH booster once a week
15ml 3/16Tsp-Trace 3x a week
Optional
4-8ml-Fe/Iron 3x a week


So my question is, would I be better to start doing the above or at first get just use the seachem line and go from there? I know that seachem makes a lot of different ones in bottles, but I am not sure which of them I need. I would like to just get one or two bottles at first rather than buying the entire line if possible. I was under the impression that Flourish Comprehensive could do most of what I needed, is that wrong?

edit: also if it helps I currently have java ferns, s. repens, ocelot sword, and anubias nana in the 75. For fish I have 1 green terror, 1 salvini, 1 firemouth, 1 senegalus bichir, 1 clown loach, and 1 leopard bushfish. The plants were in the tank before the cichlids came and have rooted enough that they arent being disturbed, though my cichlids have not tried to mess with them yet anyways. For filtration I have an Emperor 400 hob. Lightening right now is a 2 t8 bulb shop light but I am getting an led soon. Tank stays 76-78*f, I typically do 4-5 hours of light on then 4 hours with it off then 4 more hours of light. My ph is 7.0 I use neutral regulator once a week after water changes to get it there.
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https://sites.google.com/site/aquati...t-requirements

Another very educational site.

One or two Seachem bottles will not provide all that is needed.
Basically you would need the whole line, 6 or 7 bottles.
Flourish Comprehensive and Trace are almost the same product.

You can replicate the entire line for about $30 (buy dry & bottled R/O water)
It will last much longer too.


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https://sites.google.com/site/aquati...t-requirements

Another very educational site.

One or two Seachem bottles will not provide all that is needed.
Basically you would need the whole line, 6 or 7 bottles.
Flourish Comprehensive and Trace are almost the same product.

You can replicate the entire line for about $30 (buy dry & bottled R/O water)
It will last much longer too.

Ok cool thank you! So then if I use this that I posted above:

75gallon
50% H20 change-weekly
3/4 Tsp-KN03 3x a week
3/16 Tsp-KH2P04 3x a week
1 Tsp-GH booster once a week
15ml 3/16Tsp-Trace 3x a week
Optional
4-8ml-Fe/Iron 3x a week


Would that cover all my basis? Do I need to include the iron? Is any of that dangerous to fish or would it hinder the fish in growth or color? Finally where if it is safe for fish would you recommend I buy dry fert from?

edit: Sorry one more thing, I also saw in the dosing regimes post where they talk about Plantex CSM+B, so is that something I need to get also? And what is it?

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This an option for dry ferts.
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Which method do you wish to dose, EI or PPS?

Dosing calculators are here Yet Another Nutrient Calculator
and here Zorfox's Planted Tank Calculator

I cannot begin to prescribe a dosing regime.
I don't know your tank, or how heavily planted it is.

Iron is your choice, it is fish safe. Many claim to bring better reds in plants.
CSM+B is equivalent to Trace or Miller.

There is also in interesting thread here on toxicity.
https://www.plantedtank.net/forums/11...xperiment.html


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NilocG Aquatics | Aquarium Fertilizer

This an option for dry ferts.
NilocG is a member here also.

Which method do you wish to dose, EI or PPS?

Dosing calculators are here Yet Another Nutrient Calculator
and here Zorfox's Planted Tank Calculator

I cannot begin to prescribe a dosing regime.
I don't know your tank, or how heavily planted it is.

Iron is your choice, it is fish safe. Many claim to bring better reds in plants.
CSM+B is equivalent to Trace or Miller.

There is also in interesting thread here on toxicity.
https://www.plantedtank.net/forums/11...xperiment.html

I think I would prefer to go with EI. I am thinking I may just get the ferts for EI 75g reccomendation and start with once a week and see how it goes from there. I want to make sure not to overdo it as I do not have a very large amount of plants in the tank right now at all
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What is the current nitrate level (right before a water change?).
If fish food is contributing a lot of nutrients to the tank then you might want to modify the fertilizer recipe.
Fish food supplies a fair amount of N, P and most traces.
It is low in K and Fe, so I would by K2SO4 and chelated iron.
Dose low levels of KNO3, KH2PO4 and CSM+B.
Make up the missing K and Fe with K2SO4 and chelated iron.
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What is the current nitrate level (right before a water change?).
If fish food is contributing a lot of nutrients to the tank then you might want to modify the fertilizer recipe.
Fish food supplies a fair amount of N, P and most traces.
It is low in K and Fe, so I would by K2SO4 and chelated iron.
Dose low levels of KNO3, KH2PO4 and CSM+B.
Make up the missing K and Fe with K2SO4 and chelated iron.
I need to order a nitrate test kit actually, I have just been watching ammonia with my fish and now want to start getting serious about the plants. Im not sure what mine is right now
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