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post #1 of 13 (permalink) Old 11-12-2015, 10:16 AM Thread Starter
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A check on my EI dosing

I was using AquariumCalculators.com as reference

Still new to planted tank, therefore need someone to cross check if this dosage is ok.

My Tank is 2x1.5x1.5 (120L volume)
- With Substrate, I should be working on 100Litres
- With Lights and CO2 injection

Fertilizer
- Lushgro 5% KNO3 Solution (can't get hold of dry fert)
- KH2PO4 dry fert
- K2SO4 dry fert
- CSM+B dry fert

Dosage Method
- 1st Day: Water Change
- 2nd, 4th and 6th Day: KNO3 Solution & KH2PO4
- 3rd, 5th and 7th Day: K2SO4 & CSM+B

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Calculation of 5% KNO3 Solution based on total of 3 dosage a week.

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Calculation of the three dry fert based on total of 3 dosage a week.

Is the target N, P and K ok?


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Is the target N, P and K ok?
No.

https://www.plantedtank.net/forums/11...explained.html
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CO2 range 25-35ppm
NO3 range 5-30ppm (KNO3)
K+ range 10-30ppm (K2SO4 or GH booster)
PO4 range 1.0-3.0 ppm (KH2PO4)
Fe 0.2-0.5ppm or higher (?) (Plantex CSM +B)
GH range 3 degrees ~ 50ppm or higher (GH Booster)
Those are the targets after a period of time with dosing and water changes. You're targeting those concentrations with each dose, which will mean you will have significantly higher concentrations.

A calculator such as this one, will show you the recommended dosage rates with the chemicals with EI.

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No.

https://www.plantedtank.net/forums/11...explained.html


Those are the targets after a period of time with dosing and water changes. You're targeting those concentrations with each dose, which will mean you will have significantly higher concentrations.

A calculator such as this one, will show you the recommended dosage rates with the chemicals with EI.

Hi, the photos I attached are dosing result for a week.

So to be exact
- 1st day water change
- 2nd, 4th and 6th Day: 32ml of KNO3 Solution and 0.43g of KH2PO4 each time
- 3rd, 5th and 7th Day: 1.03g of K2SO4
And 0.45g of CSM+B each time

Is this still too much?


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It's fairly obvious that this calculator is asking for dry weight/measurements.
In the dry KNO3 you are adding 100% KNO3. In the solution you only have 5%.
And where did the figure 50gms come from ?
Don't know if this will help. Later in the day you might PM the person who made this
about the issue. My apprehension may be wrong so do check/w him.
But you can compare the amounts you have to the ones on his chart.
https://www.plantedtank.net/forums/11...n-recipes.html

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Is this still too much?
Yes, unless you're changing a significant proportion of the water at water change (>70%).

The plants will not uptake that amount of nutrients each week, there will be left over in the water.

If you change 50% water, you reduce this remaining nutrient level by 50%, but then you are dosing a full amount again, so at the end of the second week you will have a higher concentration in the water. Then you only reduce 50% of the greater remaining nutrient level in the water, dose a full concentration again, etc, etc.

Read the link in my earlier post please.

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It's fairly obvious that this calculator is asking for dry weight/measurements.
There are 2 parts, 1 for dry weight, the other for stock solution.

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In the dry KNO3 you are adding 100% KNO3. In the solution you only have 5%.
And where did the figure 50gms come from ?
The seller of the 5% KNO3 solution told me the 1000ml of solution contain 50g of KNO3.

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Don't know if this will help. Later in the day you might PM the person who made this
about the issue. My apprehension may be wrong so do check/w him.
But you can compare the amounts you have to the ones on his chart.
https://www.plantedtank.net/forums/11...n-recipes.html
I don't have access to the link >.<


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A check on my EI dosing

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Read the link in my earlier post please.

I would love to but I do not have access to the link >.<

So should I based on this? The 20-40gallon column?
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Convert to grams and 5% KNO3 liquid.
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Is this ok?

If still not ok, can anyone suggest a dosage?

I'm really new to this and hope things turn out well. Have been digging into articles for weeks for some of the basic knowledge before I come to this stage.


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This is the top of that link. First the suggested amounts of the normal nutrients.
The list is for a solution/w 500ml bottles. The first number is how much of that solution you dose. The second number is the tank size. I use the one for 10g tanks.

NO3 7.5 ppm
N 1.694 ppm
PO4 1.3 ppm
P 0.424 ppm
K 5.3 ppm (7.5 ppm with additional K2SO4)
Fe 0.5 ppm
Mg 0.107 ppm
dGH 0.025 ppm
Cu 0.007 ppm
B 0.061 ppm
Mn 0.143 ppm
Mo 0.004 ppm
S (0.917 ppm with additional K2SO4)
Zn 0.028 ppm

1ml/Gallon

KNO3 23.1 gm (approximately 4 1/2 teaspoons)
KH2PO4 3.5 gm (approximately 3/4 teaspoons)
Plantex CSM+B 14.5 gm (approximately 3 1/4 teaspoons)
Optional: K2SO4 9.4 gm (approximately 1 1/2 teaspoons)

Dry Dosing per 1 gallon
KNO3 46.3 mg (too small to use teaspoon measures)
KH2PO4 7 mg (too small to use teaspoon measures)
Plantex CSM+B 29 mg (too small to use teaspoon measures)
K2SO4 19 mg (too small to use teaspoon measures)

5ml/10 gallons

KNO3 46.3 gm (approximately 9 teaspoons)
KH2PO4 7 gm (approximately 1 1/4 teaspoons)
Plantex CSM+B 29 gm (approximately 6 3/4 teaspoons)
Optional: K2SO4 19 gm (approximately 3 teaspoons)
Dry Dosing
Optional: K2SO4 189 mg (approximately 1/32 teaspoons)
KNO3 463 mg (approximately 1/16 teaspoons)
KH2PO4 71 mg (too small to use teaspoon measures)
Plantex CSM+B 290 mg (approximately 1/16 teaspoons)

5ml/20 Gallons

KNO3 93 gm (approximately 17 3/4 teaspoons)
KH2PO4 14 gm (approximately 2 1/2 teaspoons)
Plantex CSM+B 58 gm (approximately 13 1/2 teaspoons)
Optional: K2SO4 38 gm (approximately 6 teaspoons)

Dry Dosing
Optional: K2SO4 377 mg (approximately 1/16 teaspoons)
KNO3 926 mg (approximately 1/8 teaspoons)
KH2PO4 141 mg (approximately 1/32 teaspoons)
Plantex CSM+B 580 mg (approximately 1/8 teaspoons)

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Thanks Raymond and Audionut.

I wonder why I can't access those links with Tapatalk.

I managed to access it with my safari.

Let me read through first


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NO3 7.5 ppm
N 1.694 ppm
PO4 1.3 ppm
P 0.424 ppm
K 5.3 ppm (7.5 ppm with additional K2SO4)
Fe 0.5 ppm
Mg 0.107 ppm
dGH 0.025 ppm
Cu 0.007 ppm
B 0.061 ppm
Mn 0.143 ppm
Mo 0.004 ppm
S (0.917 ppm with additional K2SO4)
Zn 0.028 ppm

To based on these figures, dosage for my 100L per week.
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Is this fine?

Read a bit about over supply of nutrient from the links. If I'm using ADA Aquasoil, do I still need to dose fert?

My tank has started for a week and did 50% water change daily.
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You are still not calculating for a single EI dose.

For your 100 liter tank the amounts to add for one dose are,

KH2PO4 186.2731 mg (approximately 1/32 teaspoons)
Plantex CSM+B 765.6968 mg (approximately 1/8 teaspoons)
K2SO4 496.3943 mg (approximately 1/16 teaspoons)

As far as your KNO3 solution are you sure it is 5% KNO3 and not 5% nitrogen? I've never seen a label that reports percentage of an ingredient. In fact, in the US that's illegal. Fertilizer analysis have to be reported as Nitrogen.


If it is indeed 5% KNO3 then you would add 24.5 ml for one dose. That 24.5 ml will provide 7.5 ppm of NO3 and 4.7373 ppm of potassium. Notice KNO3 provides quite a lot of Potassium. This is why I reduced the K2SO4 dose.
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You are still not calculating for a single EI dose.



For your 100 liter tank the amounts to add for one dose are,



KH2PO4 186.2731 mg (approximately 1/32 teaspoons)

Plantex CSM+B 765.6968 mg (approximately 1/8 teaspoons)

K2SO4 496.3943 mg (approximately 1/16 teaspoons)



As far as your KNO3 solution are you sure it is 5% KNO3 and not 5% nitrogen? I've never seen a label that reports percentage of an ingredient. In fact, in the US that's illegal. Fertilizer analysis have to be reported as Nitrogen.





If it is indeed 5% KNO3 then you would add 24.5 ml for one dose. That 24.5 ml will provide 7.5 ppm of NO3 and 4.7373 ppm of potassium. Notice KNO3 provides quite a lot of Potassium. This is why I reduced the K2SO4 dose.

Thanks Zorfox for breaking down the number to per dosage =)

From what I found out, In Singapore 5% KNO3 contain is legal. Therefore this local company is making this solution to sell. He still carries KNO3 powder, but certain license must be shown in order to purchase.


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Thanks Zorfox for breaking down the number to per dosage =)

From what I found out, In Singapore 5% KNO3 contain is legal. Therefore this local company is making this solution to sell. He still carries KNO3 powder, but certain license must be shown in order to purchase.


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Gotcha. Then those doses should be accurate.

In fact, if they were only using KNO3 then it's impossible to make a 5% nitrogen solution. The amount of KNO3 wouldn't dissolve. So this sounds very plausible.
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