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About a week ago, my water turned milky white. I have been doing waterchanges daily, i did clear out the filter, my water parameters are alrigh. The fish and shrimp do not seem to be bothered by this, but its a pain to look at.

I use a diy co2 system and i guess it started rigt after i did a co2 bottle change. I looked it up and internet tells me its bacteria, but i havent been feeding my fish at all since the white cloud appeared, and even before, i barely fed them! Like a block of frozen larvea/2 days(becausr i get a lot of algea and the fish tend to eat them if i dont overfeed them)

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Describe your CO2 setup. Do you have a hookah/bubble counter between your yeast bottle and the aquarium?
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Yeah it has a bubble counter and 2 check valves, so i doubt its the co2, i have had the co2 for about 2 months now znd with previous bottle changed nothing..

Anyone? Do a 70% waterchange now, the day after its just as bad again

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When you clean the filter, do you touch the bio-media ?
Do you ever clean the entire inside of the tank, mostly the glass and vacuum the gravel
at the same time you clean the filter ?

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Anyone? Do a 70% waterchange now, the day after its just as bad again
I used to do an 80% water change on sundays, and a 50% water change on Wednesdays.

Now that I EI dose, I just do 1 50% on sundays.

I've never had any ill effects from an 80% water change. The only reason I don't do it now is because I don't want such a huge PH swing after a water change.

However, I've done a test. Not on purpose, just because I needed to move fish quickly, I took 9 corys and 5 ottos, all sensitive fish. Took them from 7 ph and threw them in a 8 ph tank, with no ill effects. Do I recommend this? No, but is PH really a huge deal? Questionable.
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When you clean the filter, do you touch the bio-media ?
Do you ever clean the entire inside of the tank, mostly the glass and vacuum the gravel
at the same time you clean the filter ?
Changed it once after it got all white, i didnt clean all the glass and cant vacuum the gravel since its carpetted
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a week is a long time, but it sounds like a random bacterial bloom. could be caused by any number of things adding a spike to your bio load, maybe dead fish hiding somewhere or some of your BB being killed off for some reason. I would stop the water changes and ride it out. I've experienced bacterial blooms from cleaning both my canisters on the same day, even though I don't touch the bio-media.
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"Changed it once after it got all white, i didnt clean "
If you changed the bio-media, then the reason it's lasting a while is that you took out
the bio filter. Part of that is found in the top 1/2" layer of sub and then some on the glass also. But that part of it which is in the filter does more of the work because water is being moved over it regularly.
Filters usually have either two or three layers or pads. In those/w two, the first is for particles. The first that the water goes through that is. The next one is your bio-media.
Since the first, or in a filter/w three the first two are there to keep the last one clean.
The only reason to ever touch that one is if it looks like it is falling apart.
While that pad becomes filled/covered/w the bio bacteria that cloudiness will still be
there.
Most pictures of a DIY CO2 system show three bottles. Two with the yeast/sugar in it and a third/w only water. This filters the CO2 that is coming from the first two bottles
before it reaches the tank water. If you don't have this in your DIY CO2 set up then likely that is where the first cloudy water came from.

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My yeast cant reach my aquarium water, i guess it is bacteria somewhere, all my fish are accounted for... Would changing out water and adding from a well established tank help?

Or adding daphnea? I know when i used to breed them they cleared yeast and bactia out of the water really fast
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About a week ago, my water turned milky white. I have been doing waterchanges daily, i did clear out the filter, my water parameters are alrigh. The fish and shrimp do not seem to be bothered by this, but its a pain to look at.

I use a diy co2 system and i guess it started rigt after i did a co2 bottle change. I looked it up and internet tells me its bacteria, but i havent been feeding my fish at all since the white cloud appeared, and even before, i barely fed them! Like a block of frozen larvea/2 days(becausr i get a lot of algea and the fish tend to eat them if i dont overfeed them)

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Yeah it has a bubble counter and 2 check valves, so i doubt its the co2, i have had the co2 for about 2 months now znd with previous bottle changed nothing..

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My yeast cant reach my aquarium water, i guess it is bacteria somewhere, all my fish are accounted for... Would changing out water and adding from a well established tank help?

Or adding daphnea? I know when i used to breed them they cleared yeast and bactia out of the water really fast
Simplest answer is usually the correct answer. If this happened right after changing the co2 bottle why are you so confident thats not the cause?
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Cloudy white water is often really green water in an early stage. You can check that by putting some of the tank water in a white dish so the real color shows up easier. If it is green water you can stop it with a 2 day total blackout - wrap the tank with a double layer of black garbage bags, and don't allow any light to get in for 2 days, no peeking, no feeding, no fertilizing. Other methods often just reduce the green water and it quickly grows back as green as before.

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cause the bubble counter is very clear and its impossible for water to move up trough air

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Cloudy white water is often really green water in an early stage. You can check that by putting some of the tank water in a white dish so the real color shows up easier. If it is green water you can stop it with a 2 day total blackout - wrap the tank with a double layer of black garbage bags, and don't allow any light to get in for 2 days, no peeking, no feeding, no fertilizing. Other methods often just reduce the green water and it quickly grows back as green as before.
Its not green, its milky white

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cause the bubble counter is very clear and its impossible for water to move up trough air
Then how do clouds get up in the sky?
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I'd say, stop doing water changes for a few days, or as long as your water parameters can hold out and stay safe. Definitely sounds like a bacterial bloom, from a noobs perspective.
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7 days later and no change, water is still extremely milky, i haven't done a water change in 5 days.. Just to be sure i even threw in some of the filter media from my other, well established tank...

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