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Root Tabs?

Hey, everyone.

I was recently using the Flourish line of fertilizers and was just converted to dry fertilizers (this pack). Is it a good idea to have root tabs in the tank? I have a set of fairly fresh Flourish tabs, but should I replace them when they're done? If so, what with? Any particular brand?

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EDIT: My bad, left out the details. 29g; 65w; plants (rooted ones, at least) are only Moneywort, Amazon Swords, and some small Crypts; 60lbs Eco Complete; soon-to-arrive-at-my-door CO2 injection.
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I was recently using the Flourish line of fertilizers and was just converted to dry fertilizers (this pack). Is it a good idea to have root tabs in the tank? I have a set of fairly fresh Flourish tabs, but should I replace them when they're done?
That depends on how well your plants are doing. Are you planning to breakdown the tank now? Beware crypts melt a little when moved. They come back most of the time. They might need root tabs.

I read Tallen44 used the root tabs in the beginning. Now he doesn't dose any ferts. Those tabs add iron to the substrate. I am planning on using pond tabs for they have a lot of Nitrogen which my plants need.

For me the dry ferts, I calculated would last 4x as the liquids. It would be interesting know how long yours last.

I have a 29 gallon tank too. What lights are you using? Can't wait to see some pictures.

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I've used Jobe's fertilizer sticks, and they grow plants great, but I soon got green water because they became exposed to the water column pretty easily.

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Here is a picture. I'm using the Single Satellite 65w CFL fixture with a 6700/10000 bulb. Yeah, I'm looking forward to having to spend much less on fertilizers. Here's the thing: if the root tabs will help the plants be the best they can be, it's worth the extra $7 every two or three months to me. I'm just kind of wondering if they'll be made obsolete with the dry ferts, but I hadn't considered they offer iron while dry ferts don't. I'll probably just keep them.

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Looking good!! Everything is growing good. I don't think you will need the root tabs with that package you ordered. Especially since you will Eco-complete which has iron in it. I may get that dry fert package when I run at of the liquids.

I would like to see a plant that sways in it like Hygro willow. Hoppy grows it.

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If you want super explosive growth and super healthy plants I say go for it. You can ever provide TOO many nutrients for your plants. I have ADA Aquasoil in my tanks and from time to time when I feel like it throw a couple in the substrate to get some extra growth.


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I use root tabs on my huge Amazon Sword b/c they seem to use alot of K (potash). I have been trying to figre out how to make my own.

any tips?
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Looking good!! Everything is growing good. I don't think you will need the root tabs with that package you ordered. Especially since you will Eco-complete which has iron in it. I may get that dry fert package when I run at of the liquids.

I would like to see a plant that sways in it like Hygro willow. Hoppy grows it.

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I haven't used the Willow leaf Hygro for many months. It was just too fast a grower for me to cope with. But, it is a very nice looking plant in the tank.

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I use root tabs on my huge Amazon Sword b/c they seem to use alot of K (potash). I have been trying to figre out how to make my own.

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"Amazon sword" plants spread a massive root system all over the substrate, from front to back, end to end. A plant tab placed anywhere in the substrate can't possibly be feeding all of those roots. So, it makes good sense to me to just fertilize the water and let the plant get its nutrients through the leaves, which it does very well - that's why it becomes a big sword plant with roots all over the substrate. In my opinion, not supported by any research, "root feeder" plants are just plants like any others, and they do very well with a good water column fertilizing program, like the EI method.

The massive root systems those plants have are, in my opinion, primarily there to anchor the plant so the river doesn't sweep it away, and so, in dry seasons, the plant can still remain alive.

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I disagree with you about root feeders, Hoppy, especially in relation to swords.

In the Amazon river system, swords are typically found in almost nutrient-free water. The majority of the nutrients in this system are found in the substrate. In addition, the swords transition seasonally from submerged to emerged growth- and the nutrients once the waters have gone down are obtained almost completely through the substrate.





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I disagree with you about root feeders, Hoppy, especially in relation to swords.

In the Amazon river system, swords are typically found in almost nutrient-free water. The majority of the nutrients in this system are found in the substrate. In addition, the swords transition seasonally from submerged to emerged growth- and the nutrients once the waters have gone down are obtained almost completely through the substrate.
I'm sure you are correct about swords being root feeders but, the roots of swords and crypts must still manage to get nutrients from the water. After all, they are effectively suspended in the water via the gravel. Kind of like hydroponics in my opinion. I haven't used root tabs for years but you wouldn't know it looking at my crypts.
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Oh, I'm not disagreeing about their ability to pull nutrients from the water, I've no doubt that their leaves are just as able to take in water-column nutrients as any other plant, just that I also think that they are very able to draw in enough nutrients through their roots alone.





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