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hey people I have 72 gallon bow front, carpet of dwarf HC growing all over, with a corner patch of hairgrass growing, drift wood with java fern on it, riccia floating on top growing for now...

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265W 6700/10000 mix flourite substrate, rummy nose/angel fish/8 otos/bristlenose

I have whole flourish line but it's eating my money away so how do dry ferts work? I could supplement with flourish but I believe I would still need NPK... do I just buy the dry ferts somewhere online and mix them with water? then it basically just gets me N,P, or K? then I dose with those? and where is a dosing chart for those? a website to buy them? what all would I NEED to dose with c02 injection 2 bps I or so right now maybe, diffused via bubble ladder... Alright... thanks.

Just looking for cheapest way to dose ferts basically for really green tank
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http://www.aquariumfertilizer.com/in...ShowItemStart=

how bout just this? with regular flourish a couple times a week...?

would I just put in the dry ferts or have to mix this? / how would I know how much of this / how often to put it in tank?
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That's the same vendor that I use for dry ferts and they're totally reliable. Refer to this:

http://www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=104737

It's really very inexpensive and very effective so give it a shot.
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how bout just this? with regular flourish a couple times a week...?

would I just put in the dry ferts or have to mix this? / how would I know how much of this / how often to put it in tank?
Excel or pfertz.com "M" is a replacement for CSM+B (Micro) so you would only need the NPK dry fertz for your Macro's or just buy that package and skip the Excel product.

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you mean I would use flourish/that package... with no excell but c02 injection

right?

I don't want to use excell on my tank period... it uses too much when I already have c02 pumping in there...

so I just need to buy that package... and use flourish with it... and I should be fine? correct?

Potassium Nitrate - 40g to 500ml of water and adding 10ml per 100L of water would give you a value of 5ppm.
Potassium Phosphate - 15g to 500ml of water and adding 5ml per 100L of water would give you a value of 1ppm.
Potassium Sulphate - 55g to 500ml of water and adding 10ml per 100L of water would give you a value of 5ppm
Magnesium Sulphate - 70g to 500ml of water and add 50ml once a week per 100L of water - this would give a target of 7ppm.
Trace mix - 15g to 250ml of water will give you about the same concentration as the ‘off the shelf’ products. It is also a good idea, if you can, to add 0.5ml Normal hydrochloric acid as this helps to prevent the chelator from breaking down. Some people complain of mould growing on top of the solution - keeping it in the fridge should help prevent this and prolong it’s life.

I would go off this? just need to measure dry powder in grams? mix it with tap water and keep it in bottles? then dose using his regime? but how do I fit flourish in there? maybe on off days? a couple times a week at most?
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60-80 Gallons (227-303 litres)
40ml solution or 3/4 tsp KNO3 3x a week
25ml solution or 3/16 tsp KH2PO4 3x a week
11ml solution or 1/4 tsp K2SO4 3x a week
15ml or 1/4 tsp traces 3x a week

so instead of trades... the flourish a couple times a week could cover that...

and I could just scoop the dry powder in teaspoons?? dump it straight in? just spread all the fertz out like nitrogen/phosp. one day with iron? then flourish potassium another day? just confused with dosing now I guess?
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nvm I got the dosing regime... using flourish for traces... but can I just dump dry ferts straight into tank? and I just need measuring device that has a 1/4, 3/16?, 3/4, 1 teaspoon? 3/16...
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How many pounds of each of the 3 should I buy?

I have 72 bow, 265 watt light, c02 injection... flourite... how many days will a pound of each last?
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GLA sells all the dry ferts you need here: linky
Thats what I am using...

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I'd buy the smallest bag they sell, typically 1lb. I have had most of 1lb bag of ferts for nearly 2 years with a 58 gallon and I've probably only used a little more than half of each.

Yes, you can either add ferts directly to the tank or mix with water beforehand and pour it in. I've done both with no harmful effects to the fish.


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Ya agreed, at 1/16-1/8 tsp a day, 1lb or even 1/2lb would last a long time...

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Excel or pfertz.com "M" is a replacement for CSM+B (Micro) so you would only need the NPK dry fertz for your Macro's or just buy that package and skip the Excel product.

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Excel is not a replacement for CSM+B. Excel works to get CO2 to the plants if you have no other means of C02 injection.

I think you meant to say Flourish


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Excel is not a replacement for CSM+B. Excel works to get CO2 to the plants if you have no other means of C02 injection.

I think you meant to say Flourish
Lord I farkeld that up didn't I? I'm so used to saying Excel I interchange them when writing.

CSM+B is a 'micro nutrient trace mix'
Flourish is a 'micro elements, trace elements and other nutrients' liquid
Flourish Excel is a ''source of bioavailable organic carbon'

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