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What are the chances of survival?

Okay I have two rainbow cichlids and today was the day i do the 30% water change. Turns out that the bucket i used was also used for disinfecting my brothers clothes and bleach was used. The bucket i normally use is the same kind the clothes were in so there was no way of telling which was which. the cichlids are in really bad shape. one is very spastic and is having lots of trouble breathing. the other one is able to breathe and move its fins, but it can not get itself off the gravel. I did a 50% water change because i don't want to stress them out any more with a clean bucket this time and if they survive the night i'll do another water change. What are the chances of my fish surviving this? its terrible watching them suffer because i made a stupid mistake and got lazy. I dont know what to do so all the info you know please tell me. thank you
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I would get the clean bucket out and keep them in there. The tank is still messed up and there going to die in there. You need to clean that tank before fish are in there again.
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okay well unfortunately they died and should i get rid of the plants too? how long does it take for the bleach to get out of the water?
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I would imagine the bleach is going to kill the bacteria you need to keep your tank processing ammonia and nitrites. I would strip the whole thing, clean and rinse it very well and start from scratch - your plants may end up ok, but they might have more of a chance of dying if you don't clean it.

I don't know if the bleach will come out on its own. Maybe some of the local forum chemists know.
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I would imagine the bleach is going to kill the bacteria you need to keep your tank processing ammonia and nitrites. I would strip the whole thing, clean and rinse it very well and start from scratch - your plants may end up ok, but they might have more of a chance of dying if you don't clean it.

I don't know if the bleach will come out on its own. Maybe some of the local forum chemists know.
alright thats what i plan on doing. i took out the plants and i think im going to switch my substrate. i want to make sure theres no bleach in the tank.
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If it's just plain chlorine bleach with no detergent additives it breaks down fairly quickly into little more than salt. I think the stuff you get at the store is often stabilized with sodium hydroxide (lye), the residual amount would increase alkalinity... Still not really toxic long term though. I disinfect tanks, buckets, nets and many things with bleach as needed, there is no residue after rinsing. If there was enough bleach left to cause harm, I am pretty sure you would have smelled it.

Really sounds more like there was more than bleach in that bucket. Some kind of laundry detergent or something else more than just good old bleach. That is harder to get rid of and breaking down the tank is the only way to be sure.

Rainbow cichlids are pretty tough fish, takes a lot to kill them. Sorry you lost yours, they are among the favorites of the cichlids I keep.
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If it's just plain chlorine bleach with no detergent additives it breaks down fairly quickly into little more than salt. I think the stuff you get at the store is often stabilized with sodium hydroxide (lye), the residual amount would increase alkalinity... Still not really toxic long term though. I disinfect tanks, buckets, nets and many things with bleach as needed, there is no residue after rinsing. If there was enough bleach left to cause harm, I am pretty sure you would have smelled it.

Really sounds more like there was more than bleach in that bucket. Some kind of laundry detergent or something else more than just good old bleach. That is harder to get rid of and breaking down the tank is the only way to be sure.

Rainbow cichlids are pretty tough fish, takes a lot to kill them. Sorry you lost yours, they are among the favorites of the cichlids I keep.
I'm really disapointed. There were bubbles at the top of my tank when I found them dying so there probably was something else besides bleach. Those fish were beautiful.
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