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liquid carbon help needed

I have a 45 gal riparium(medium light and EI dosing) with only java ferns, crypts, and some moss on the bottom half. I have been using API Co2 booster (see link if needed) because I've noticed the Java ferns look better with it and I'd rather not invest in another pressurized setup for this tank.

I'm thinking of switching from the API Co2 booster to Excel. My questions are: How similar are the two? If i do switch, should I follow the bottle directions on dosing?

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Excel is a good carbon source, and does benefit plants in a low tech set-up.
I've used up to double the dosage indicated on the bottle without any problems, but one does need to be somewhat careful with it when fish are close by so just go easy with it.
Vallisneria is the only plant adversely affected by it to my knowledge - they may melt if dosed with it.
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Thanks!

Any experience with the API brand? Are they comparable?


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Glutaraldehyde (glut) is the active ingredient in Excel. I am assuming it is the same in API CO2 booster. I would just search around at the glut concentrations of each and find out that way.

Also the above poster is right in saying that some plants are sensitive. Most are totally fine but a handful will react badly. Again I am assuming that this would hold true with API CO2 booster as well.

I do not know for sure though


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Glutaraldehyde (glut) is the active ingredient in Excel. I am assuming it is the same in API CO2 booster. I would just search around at the glut concentrations of each and find out that way.

Also the above poster is right in saying that some plants are sensitive. Most are totally fine but a handful will react badly. Again I am assuming that this would hold true with API CO2 booster as well.

I do not know for sure though
Sounds good. Thanks for your time!


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Both crypts and especially vallisneria varieties will melt when dosed with glutaraldehyde (or glut, the active ingredient with liquid CO2 products) in my experience. They can be slowly acclimated up to a normal dosage to avoid this. Since you have previously been using a liquid CO2 product you'll just have to make sure they utilize the same % glut.
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Both crypts and especially vallisneria varieties will melt when dosed with glutaraldehyde (or glut, the active ingredient with liquid CO2 products) in my experience. They can be slowly acclimated up to a normal dosage to avoid this. Since you have previously been using a liquid CO2 product you'll just have to make sure they utilize the same % glut.
My crypts do just fine with it, have never had a problem with it and I dose 3X the label instructions. Just sayn...
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My crypts do just fine with it, have never had a problem with it and I dose 3X the label instructions. Just sayn...
Same here. Never had a problem with my three varieties of Crypts, even at 3x daily dose. (though I did work up slowly to that over a couple months) Had some Vals melt initially, but then come right back with a vengence.


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I've had crypts, riccia and vals melt with this product. I haven't been brave enough to try again with the slow acclimation method LOL


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Same here. Never had a problem with my three varieties of Crypts, even at 3x daily dose. (though I did work up slowly to that over a couple months) Had some Vals melt initially, but then come right back with a vengence.
That's the trick. It depends on the variety of course, my green gecko's never cared but my jungle val required starting with 1/4, then 1/2, then 3/4 etc.
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