when to start fertilizing - The Planted Tank Forum
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old 09-17-2014, 08:57 PM Thread Starter
Algae Grower
 
tmann51's Avatar
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Wisconson
Posts: 21
when to start fertilizing

Thanks to information gotten here, I'm about to redo (again) my 33 gallon planted tank. I'm planning on using 3 bags of Eco-Complete substrate.
I considered trying to reuse some of the plants by removing the algae that most are covered with, but perhaps I'm better off to just get new stuff.
As I use RODI water, I will use SeaChem Equilibrium to adjust the GH.
Since I've learned about EI, I'm wondering when that dosing should begin. Because I've got quite a lot of it on hand, I'm going to use SeaChem nitrogen, potassium, iron and phosphorus. I've heard about "all in one" products but I don't know where to get and which. I've also heard about dry product dosing and it is something I also know little about.
I'd also like to know when CO2 dosing should start. I have used a pressure system w/ PH regulator & solenoid and I've always started it up right away. I use a little CO2 indicator, inverted cone and keep it green. I also realize there is probably a better way to measure levels and get it into the tank than a diffuser (ceramic).
I'm going to use a 2-tube T5 for 8 hour photo-period, Giesemann midday and aquaflora.
I need some hand holding here, this is redo 4 I think.
tmann51 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 10 (permalink) Old 09-17-2014, 10:20 PM
Planted Tank Guru
 
PTrader: (538/100%)
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Oregon
Posts: 3,008
Start both the dosing and co2 right away. No reason to wait.
nilocg is offline  
post #3 of 10 (permalink) Old 09-17-2014, 10:32 PM
Wannabe Guru
 
greaser84's Avatar
 
PTrader: (11/100%)
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: NC
Posts: 1,425
Quote:
Originally Posted by nilocg View Post
Start both the dosing and co2 right away. No reason to wait.
+1 especially since eco complete is inert and your using RODI water which has nothing in it.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
greaser84 is offline  
 
post #4 of 10 (permalink) Old 09-18-2014, 12:13 AM
Planted Tank Guru
 
Zorfox's Avatar
 
PTrader: (5/100%)
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Gainesville, FL
Posts: 2,105
I agree with Nilocg. You should start dosing and CO2 from the start. You should go ahead and get your dry fertilizers if youíre going to use EI. The Seachem products wonít last long. I donít see any trace fertilizers listed which will be a problem long term.

Here are the EI doses for what you have. Dose those 3 times a week with a 50% water change every week.

Nitrogen 13ml
Phosphorus 37ml
Potassium 12ml
Iron 6ml

Here is a post I made about EI and non-limiting nutrients. It should give you a good idea of whatís going on. When you get your dry fertilizers here is a post that lists the amounts to dose.

There are several places to buy dry fertilizers. However, nilocg sells them at a good price and knows how to use them should you need advise.
Zorfox is offline  
post #5 of 10 (permalink) Old 09-18-2014, 12:43 AM Thread Starter
Algae Grower
 
tmann51's Avatar
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Wisconson
Posts: 21
Thanks

Good information. I couldn't get Eco-Complete, Got Flora-Max instead, any differences?
tmann51 is offline  
post #6 of 10 (permalink) Old 09-18-2014, 12:57 AM
Planted Tank Guru
 
klibs's Avatar
 
PTrader: (29/100%)
Join Date: May 2014
Location: NH
Posts: 3,325
Not sure but it is probably similar.

I would dose everything right off the bat anyways. Per Zorfox's calculations you will be all set. However, as you can see, you will probably run out of Seachem ferts after not too long. IMO just buy dry ferts when you're going to run out of liquid ferts. Way cheaper in the long run.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
klibs is offline  
post #7 of 10 (permalink) Old 09-18-2014, 01:04 AM Thread Starter
Algae Grower
 
tmann51's Avatar
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Wisconson
Posts: 21
You bet.

I'm gonna have him send me one of his DIY EI Liquid Fert Kits.
Is plain Florish the micro nutrient solution?
tmann51 is offline  
post #8 of 10 (permalink) Old 09-18-2014, 01:56 AM
Banned
 
PTrader: (15/100%)
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 3,261
There is no real difference between the two substrates as Eco just has bacteria and Floramax doesn't. However, you must dose fertz immediately because Eco/Floramax are inert. Otherwise, you're plants will stunt, die, and algae will take over. Source: my own experience.
Solcielo lawrencia is offline  
post #9 of 10 (permalink) Old 09-18-2014, 07:44 PM
Planted Tank Enthusiast
 
micheljq's Avatar
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Quebec
Posts: 963
Agreed with the above, i begin dosing first week.

Michel.

Plants and algae grower.
micheljq is offline  
post #10 of 10 (permalink) Old 09-18-2014, 10:53 PM
Planted Tank Guru
 
Zorfox's Avatar
 
PTrader: (5/100%)
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Gainesville, FL
Posts: 2,105
Quote:
Originally Posted by tmann51 View Post
I'm gonna have him send me one of his DIY EI Liquid Fert Kits.
Is plain Florish the micro nutrient solution?
They're all Flourish products. Flourish comprehensive is a decent trace mix which is what's usually referred to as plain Flourish. If you're going to be ordering EI fertilizers just get Plantex. If you're talking about Nilocg he uses Plantex for his traces as far as I know.

There are a few differences between Eco-complete and Floramax but in my opinion they both work about the same. Eco has bacteria and comes in fine or coarse grades. Eco is a little cleaner. After a few weeks there should be no difference to be honest.
Zorfox is offline  
Reply

Tags
None

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the The Planted Tank Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome