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Starting EI and need to verify my dosing and dosing schedule

Tank: 20 Gallon Long
Lights: Finnex Planted+ 30"
CO2: Paintball + Atomic Paintball CO2 Regulator V2 + 45mm atomic diffuser
Filtration: Aquaclear 50 HOB with Koralia nano 240
Drop-Checker with 4dK solution

Lifestock:

Plants:
DHG, Amazon Sword, Water Wisteria + unknown plant

Fish:
02 x Fancy guppies
7 x Neon Tetras
4 x Cardinal Tetras
4 x Otos

Ferts:
Ordered the following from GLA:
KH2PO4, KNO3, CSM+B
Already have:
Flourish comp, Excel, Flourish Iron

This is the schedule I made using http://calc.petalphile.com



This is my tank right now and I am not sure what the plant in front of the sword is (towards the far right):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RigijI1Te7Q

How does my schedule look? Also, would I be dosing too much Fe?

Thank you for your time!


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Your calculations for the dry fertilizers are correct for full EI dosing. You could reduce your CSM dose to 10ml since you're dosing Flourish iron. Also, since you're injecting CO2 Excel really isn't needed. Make sure you do a 50% water change each week. Otherwise, everything seems good to me.
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Your calculations for the dry fertilizers are correct for full EI dosing. You could reduce your CSM dose to 10ml since you're dosing Flourish iron. Also, since you're injecting CO2 Excel really isn't needed. Make sure you do a 50% water change each week. Otherwise, everything seems good to me.
For CSM, do you mean 10g i.e half the current dosage?

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For CSM, do you mean 10g i.e half the current dosage?

Also, thanks for responding!
No. I meant 10ml. The solution is fine as it is.
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No. I meant 10ml. The solution is fine as it is.
Thank you for your time!

I have one more question. I plan on mixing all the macros in one bottle and all the micros in another.

Will that be okay? I am going to keep the seachem fe and excel in their own bottles.


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Yes, you can mix macros together. However, it's not a good idea to mix macros and micros in particular KH2PO4. Btw, adding a couple of teaspoons of vinegar first and using warm water helps dissolve the fertilizers and prevents mold/fungus.
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You don't have enough plants to dose the recommended dosage. You should try halving every dose for the first month or so to see how your tank do first.



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Yes, you can mix macros together. However, it's not a good idea to mix macros and micros in particular KH2PO4. Btw, adding a couple of teaspoons of vinegar first and using warm water helps dissolve the fertilizers and prevents mold/fungus.
Thank you! I will not mix macros and micros and refrigerate the micros.
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You don't have enough plants to dose the recommended dosage. You should try halving every dose for the first month or so to see how your tank do first.
I did not realize that. Thanks! I will start at half dosage. I have a question, though. Would there be any problems with full dosage? We are doing a 50% WC every week to remove excess nutrients anyway, right? Of course, I would waste ferts, but other than that, are there any negatives?


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Would there be any problems with full dosage? We are doing a 50% WC every week to remove excess nutrients anyway, right? Of course, I would waste ferts, but other than that, are there any negatives?
No. There are no disadvantage to using a full dose as long as you do a 50% weekly water change. If you have low plant mass, light or even no CO2 you can still use a full dose although it's simply not necessary.
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Why flush money down he drain?



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If you dose full strength you will end up with really high nitrates because your plants will not use them.

Also you have low light so you will end up with an algae tank.
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No. There are no disadvantage to using a full dose as long as you do a 50% weekly water change. If you have low plant mass, light or even no CO2 you can still use a full dose although it's simply not necessary.
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Why flush money down he drain?
True, but I was wondering if there was any other effects apart from that.

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If you dose full strength you will end up with really high nitrates because your plants will not use them.

Also you have low light so you will end up with an algae tank.
Is Planted+ at ~12" above substrate low light?

I thought that would put me in medium/medium-high light?!

Source for that assumption according to which, it should be in the 60-70 PAR range.

https://www.plantedtank.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=338114


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Since you already have the excel, add that to the CSM is a fungicide. I use 15 ml in a 500 ml bottle.

Watch your nitrate levels though, mine were sky high when using EI dosing. I cut mine almost 80% and still have ~30ppm after a 50% water change.... Fish poop and uneaten food will add to your nitrates.
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Since you already have the excel, add that to the CSM is a fungicide. I use 15 ml in a 500 ml bottle.

Watch your nitrate levels though, mine were sky high when using EI dosing. I cut mine almost 80% and still have ~30ppm after a 50% water change.... Fish poop and uneaten food will add to your nitrates.
I will add the excel. Probably 20ml to my 900ml.

Good tip about excess nitrates. I will watch out for them. On that note, what is your testing schedule like? I test once after a WC and once in the middle of the week.


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