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confused about Fishless cycle

I started a fish less cycle about 2 weeks ago using pure ammonia. I must be doing something wrong. Today I have .5 ppm ammonia. 5 ppm nitrites and 10 ppm nitrates. I thought I wasn't supposed to have nitrates until nitrites and ammonia were 0??? What do I do now? Add more ammonia? ( I have done that X2 since the initial start of ammonia.) I don't think I have a complete grasp of how a cycle works despite my research. Any help would be very much appreciated!
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It sounds like your cycle is moving along just fine. If u have a lot of ammonia it takes a while for the bacteria to catch up so seeing ammonia nitrites and nitrates at the same time is normal. You have nitrates which is what u Want to see, it means your cycle is almost over. The ammonia eating bacteria shows up first then the nitrite eating bacteria shows up. U should be seeing high nitrate real soon, when u do, do a water change to bring the nitrates down. You'll know your cycle is done when u dose ammonia and it turns into nitrates in 24 hours. When I do fish less cycles it takes me about 3 weeks or so to get through it.

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Nope, like Greaser84 just said, your cycle is moving along just like it should be!

The whole point of a "cycle" is to grow bacteria colonies. You start off the cycle by adding ammonia to a tank, and the first colony of bacteria you will grow will feed off of this ammonia, converting the ammonia into nitrites. Once there are nitrites present n the tank, another colony will start to grow that converts these nitrites into nitrates.

This all just takes time and patience. Keep adding ammonia daily to keep feeding all the bacteria.

When you get to the point where you added ammonia the day before and when you test the water the following day have 0 ppm ammonia AND 0 ppm nitrites, do a 50% water change and then dose ammonia again.

If you come back the following day and again have 0 ppm ammonia and 0 ppm nitrites, do another 50% water change and you are ready to start adding fish.

Shouldn't be much longer now!





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Oh thank you so much!!!! I thought I was missing something!!! Another ?.... I have plants arriving today. Is it safe to add them to the tank with these water conditions?
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Yep. Live plants should only speed your cycle along.





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Awesome!
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In most cases those plants are from a tank already cycled and as such will have some of both of those type of bacteria on them which will help the cycle.
BTW those bacteria do not only live in the filter. They are on every surface in the tank.
Glass/gravel/plant stems. That is why some advise that you not clean all of the tank at one time.

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Oh thank you so much!!!! I thought I was missing something!!! Another ?.... I have plants arriving today. Is it safe to add them to the tank with these water conditions?
Plants will be just fine during a cycle. I always put plants in before I start the cycle and they all live. Once you cycle and put fish in and for whatever reason you see an ammonia or nitrite spike do a water change. Water changes are what save fish in that situation.
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So how often should I test once fish are in?
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Once your tank is finished cycling (ammonia 0, nitrite 0, and nitrate 20ppm or less) then do a 50% water change. Give the tank a couple days retest and if your levels are the same and the nitrate is 10ppm or less then add a couple fish. You always want to give your tank at least 10 days to recover from adding livestock before introducing any more livestock. Also you should not have to add any more ammonia for the cycle. It should be fine from now on. As far as your testing regiment I would test before every water change. If your test registers any ammonia or nitrite then retest after the water change.
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So how often should I test once fish are in?
I'd test daily for at least a few days each time you add new fish. If you get any readings at all on either ammonia or nitrite, do a quick water change and I'd wait for at least a week of 0 ppm ammonia and nitrite before adding any more fish.





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Thanks so much! You were all very helpful!!! I got my plants in! Not up to the standards of many of you, but I'm happy with it!
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Standards schmandards.

If YOU'RE happy with it, that is what it is ALL about. It's YOUR hobby! Enjoy!





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