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how can i make my water softer

well i just had a second otto die on me (they have been in my tank for about a month). I found out they like soft water and i just tested my water and i have hard water. So i was wondering is there any ways to lower it?

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Honestly, I'd be surprised if it was the water hardness that killed them. They can be a bit sensitive, but not as much as most people tend to think. The key seems to be making sure they are well fed, and making sure there are no ammonia spikes etc (things that are important to all fish).

What are your water parameters (gh, kh, ph, ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, phosphate, co2)?

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Oh, the only ways to lower hardness is by using RO water or peat

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I have hard water as well and I am able to keep ottos just fine. Like mpodolan said, people find they can be rather sensitive, so just take your time when acclimating them. If you can use the drip method that would be best.
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hmm

well my params are
gh: 150
kh: 120-180 (couldnt really tell)
ammonia: .5
nitrite: 0
nitrate: 0
phosphate: dont have tests for
co2: none

i am using test strips so they can be off

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Yeah, lately I've been an otto-killing machine. Gone through six so far. I have hard water, but I think it is an issue of the condition of them when I bought them and the use of aquarium salt in the LFS tanks. Also I suspect my cichlids might have ganged up on one particularly small one.

So for now I've given up on having ottos in the tank. Unfortunate since I have a pretty significant brown diatom issue right now.

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Well, there ya go. Ammonia is pretty deadly for fish. Why is there any ammonia in the water? Is your tank not cycled?

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it should be its been up since jan

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Well, a cycled tank shouldn't register any ammonia. It is possible for ammonia to spike for a few reasons. Have you lost any other fish? Sometimes fish will die in planted tanks, and we don't notice. They rot and spike the ammonia level. I'd suggest doing a water change to reduce the ammonia levels. If any fish are already stressed or weak (possible with the oto that you lost), any detectable amount of ammonia may kill them

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thats it both my fish i found were rotting when i found them so thats probably it but once i found my 1st one i made sure and did a wc. my first one died wednesday i think so it hasnt been long

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ill brb i have to go to the dentist so srry if i dont respond

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Yep, it doesn't take long for them to start rotting and foul the water. If you haven't done another water change since finding this second one rotting, go ahead and do one to help reduce the ammonia and its potential effects on your remaining fish

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well i just had a second otto die on me (they have been in my tank for about a month). I found out they like soft water and i just tested my water and i have hard water. So i was wondering is there any ways to lower it?
What is the hardness of your water? Is it possible the deaths are due to something else? To make softer water you need a Reverse Osmosis/De- Ionizer unit.My ottos are doing well in water that is neither hard nor soft.

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What is the hardness of your water? Is it possible the deaths are due to something else? To make softer water you need a Reverse Osmosis/De- Ionizer unit.My ottos are doing well in water that is neither hard nor soft.

Best not to start a reply at noon then finish it at 6 and then hit submit. At least if you don't want to remove all doubt that you're an idiot.
Hahaha...nice, Mark!

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