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post #1 of 17 (permalink) Old 03-05-2008, 06:23 PM Thread Starter
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I just started dosing PPS-Pro and Excel on my 55g tank, it is heavily planted tank. Two days ago I noticed that the water was getting a little bit hazy. So I started to use my air pump at night, the water has continually become more hazy as to seeing the back of the tank is becoming much harder. I am going to do a water change, but I have heard that excel can cause this in the beginning.

Ammonia - 0
Nitrite - 0
Nitrate- 5- 10 ppm
GH - 5
KH-5
DIY CO2 w/ 4 2-liter bottles

The fish seem to be fine, no change in them. The plants are still growing really well as well. If the water change doesn't help should I just ride this haze out? it is not green I checked in a white cup. But I know that GW doesn't necessarily have to be green in tint Any ideas of what I can do or what it might be?

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If it's more of a white color, it's a bacterial bloom. Nothing to be concerned with as long as ammonia and nitrite are remaining at 0ppm. It happens sometimes for various or unknown reasons and goes away on it's own, sooner or later. Water changes never seem to help it, IME.

If it starts to turn green, cease and desist the water changes and airstone and start looking for a cheap UV sterilizer. Recent changes in the fert regime point toward that possibility in a big way.

Also, make sure you don't have any yeast mix making it's way into the tank, 4 bottles gives a much higher probability of that happening.


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Yeast makes the most sense to me. I was looking at those parameters, and a bacteria bloom doesn't make sense otherwise, IMO?

Are you mixing micros and macros together?

Some ppl get cloudiness when they dose iron...





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I've seen bacterial blooms that don't coincide with any type of parameter change, so it's definitely a possibility. A spike in amm or nI would indicate a lack of bacteria, not a bloom.


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Both sets of my diy yeast bottles are connected to a diy bubble counter so it would of had to filled the bubble counter completely and then the water could have made its way into the tank. Is it harmful to the fish or plants if this happened? the tubes are not wet on the inside. hmmm

With PPS-Pro it states that you dose the mac and mic at the same time, before the lights turn on. But if it was that doesn't the cloudiness go down throughout the day? With my problem its just getting more hazy day by day. Yes milky white looking.

I will be switching to Pressurized system in the next two weeks, so if this is caused by the yeast mix then Iíll be happy when I don't have to worry about that happening again. But will yeast mix in the tank water harm anything or just cause the problems I am seeing now?

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Ohh I am using Rex fert combo w/ Epsom salt as mgo4. 5ml of mac a day and 5ml of mic a day and also 5ml of excel a day. dosed into the water separately but one after the other.

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It's less likely to be yeast if you have a BC effectively working as a gas separator. If it's steadily getting whiter, then I think you would have a major purge and would at least be able to hunt down the wet tubing or see the toppled container. I'm not sure how much it can affect fish, I'm not totally convinced that's your problem now anyway. If there's no milky substance covering your diffuser, then I think it's either a bac bloom or something's up with one of your dosing compounds.


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Well I am going to do a 50% water change tomorrow, so i hope that it will clear up some from that. If it is a Bac bloom Ill just have to ride it out. Do you think adding carbon to the media filter would help at all?
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No Good, water change really didn't help anything. Must be a Bac bloom, I will have to keep an eye on the amm and ni levels. How long do bac blooms last for? and is there anything I can do to shorten this time.

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I am in the middle of a bad case of milky/cloudy/foggy water. I have asked around and the verdict seemed to be Bacterial Bloom. I would be interested in hearing a way of clearing the water fast.

PS: I dose excel, I have pressurized CO2, dose micro, macro, iron, potassium and my light is 3Watts/gallon. My tank is 6 foot/600Litres/150gallons.
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Maybe try to find a good bacterial killer designed for aquariums. Maracyn is pretty good.
You also may want to find a cheap UV sterilizer like they said earlier. Other than that, I'm not real sure...

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Maybe try to find a good bacterial killer designed for aquariums. Maracyn is pretty good.
You also may want to find a cheap UV sterilizer like they said earlier. Other than that, I'm not real sure...
These things run their courses. Give it a few days. Make sure there is not an excess of organic material in the tank or a plugged dirty filter and just give it a few days it will go away. Don't add anything to kill the bacteria! A diatom filter and a UV sterilizer would help clean it up if you own them but don't run out to buy them just for this. If you ordered them online the bloom would be over before the stuff got to your house.


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x3 on don't kill your bacteria- you'll short-circut the tank's Nitrogen cycle!

Have you tested your ammonia, nitrItes and nitrAtes?





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dont kill bacteria - got it.

my tank 160 gallons (600 litres).
temp = 28 celcius
ph = 6.8
Amonia = 0
nitrIte = 0
nitrAte = 5 ppm
KH = 35 ppm
GH = 71 ppm
Filter fluval FX5 1200l/hour
filter media (in this order): ceramic-type bio media, sera peat, chem-zorb carbon, fine filter wool, purigen.
CO2 2 bps 24/7
water changed 30% per day in the past week. cloudiness for the past 3 weeks.
lighting 3 times 150 Watts MH with photo period reduced to 4 hours per day now.

This morning - water still cloudy. Thinking of getting UV. shall I invest in UV? What else can I do?

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