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CSM+B and Seachem Flourish

I made the switch to dry ferts about 6 months ago. I've had pretty good growth with my dosing schedule. I've had to back down a bit as my nitrate levels refused to come down from 40-60, even after frequent large water changes with nitrate at 0.

I'm finally getting the nitrates down, I was able to get a heater hooked up so I can use my r/o unit again.

I have almost an entire bottle of Seachem flourish left over from when I was doing the seachem line. How much of a difference is there between the csm+b and flourish. Would it be overkill to use both in the tank? (55g well planted btw) I've noticed my corymosa's new growth is a bit deformed, bright green but a bit twisted and not growing a full leaf (only seems to grown half the side of the leaf) I'm wondering if I'm missing something in my dosing. I've only had the corymbosa in the tank for a few weeks, my giant hygro is doing very well. So I'm a bit confused.
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I'm not sure if I would be using both at the same time. It does sound like overkill since some of their nutrients overlap -- unless you lower each dose accordingly. Perhaps use up the flourish first or alternate weeks?
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I have to use tap water during the winter time, generally I use a 75% r/o to 25% tap for my water changes. I've been using tap (20ppm nitrate) water since nov, my nitrates shot up really hight. So I stopped dosing kno3 and stuck with kh2po4, csm+b and seachem iron twice a week.

When I made my liquid solution I used the calc to deteremine the amount of grams of each per 500ml solution. I'm not 100% I did it correctly. I'm probably going to ask for help on that once I run out at the end of the month. I'm still learning/figuring out the dry ferts and how much/when. It was easy when I was using the r/o as a water change would drop the nitrates from 40 to 15, my water changes were based on my nitrate number.
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I've noticed my corymosa's new growth is a bit deformed, bright green but a bit twisted and not growing a full leaf (only seems to grown half the side of the leaf) I'm wondering if I'm missing something in my dosing.
Can you post a few up close photos of the plants and maybe a few of the other plants in the tank? Take pictures of any damaged areas you see.
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I will snag some photos of the corymbosa tonight, all of the other plants in the tank are growing great.

here is the tank for reference
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Sounds like you have the raw material to experiment and decide for yourself about CSM or Flourish.

Why not dose CSM for a couple of months or so and watch plant growth, health etc. Then change to flourish for traces and iron. You can easily calculate an equivalent using a nutrient calculator. I would love to see the difference.

In regards to your corymosa's new growth, post photos. Zapin's is quite knowledgeable about deficiencies and/or toxicities of aquatic plants. You won't find too many out there more familiar on the subject.
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What is your GH reading? Are you adding calcium or magnesium? If so, how much are you adding?
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I added diy co2 to this tank on black friday, I put the hygro in the tank mid to late dec.

KH: 4
GH: 6
PH: 7.0

For my liquid solutions I did the following
(500ml of r/o)
kno3
98.75g

kh2po4
16.27g

csm+b
57.97g

Kno3-sunday, tuesday, thursday
kh2po4-sunday, tuesday, thusday
5ml of solution each

csm+b-Monday, Wednesday, saturday
Seachem iron: Monday, wednesday

non + root tabs under the main plants and then spaced out from there about every 5-6 inches.

I am pulling 20 gallons of water out weekly, figuring it's a 55g, with 5 inches of substrate, I was only at 45g of water in the tank.

I have no idea what my calcium or magnesium are at. I'm going to look up how to test for those.
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I'm going to swing by the lfs tonight and grab a CA test kit, I will report back tomorrow with my findings.
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Sounds good, I'll wait for that.
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from what i've found the only magnesium testing kits are for salt water tanks, will they work the same on a planted tank or will I be fine just knowing the Ca numbers?
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Yes, you can use the GH test and the Ca test to calculate the Mg level. Basically only Ca and Mg make up GH so it is a simple subtraction to find out Mg levels. Sometimes the LFS will have a calcium test kit there that they can use to test your water for you for free.
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Thanks Zapins, I post numbers tonight or in the morning.

I know my calcium has to be low, I'm having issues with keeping mystery snails alive. The last 3 became hollow, falling apart messes pretty quickly.
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