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Happi's All In One Liquid fertilizer

first of all thanks to James at http://www.theplantedtank.co.uk/ for all the useful information. in the past i have successfully created an all in one fertilizer and it worked very well, this is my 2nd attempt and i am going to test it on smaller tank first. most people here think how is it possible to Mix PO4 and Iron, they will react etc, well this isnt true when you have complex Chelate Fe. i am posting a picture of solution that was created 2 days ago and you will not see any reaction in the solution.

the solution is created to Match the Tropica TPN+, but i have slightly modified it more, i will not give any credit to myself, credit goes to the James, but since i am going to make some changes to the solution, i will go with the name in the Title, so people don't get confuse. i have couple more version of all in one solution in my mind which uses different source of fertilizers.

in this version we will be using NH4KNO3 for the only Nitrogen source, Traces from csm+b, other sources which i will not list until i test it completely. if anyone want to attempt all in one fert, they can try the James DIY fert.

5ml per 50 litres

the recipe is:

DIY TPN+ (1)
3.8g Ammonium Nitrate
2.2g Potassium Phosphate (monobasic)
10g Potassium Sulphate
17g Magnesium Sulphate Heptahydrate (Epsom Salts)
0.5g E300 Ascorbic Acid
0.2g E202 Potassium Sorbate
5g EDTA Chelated Trace Elements Mix (TNC Trace, CSM+B)
1.5g DTPA 11%
0.7g MnSO4.H2O


this will add:

0.86ppm NH4
3.0ppm NO3
0.31ppm PO4
1.0ppm K
0.39ppm Mg
0.07 Mn
Fe 0.1
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DIY TPN+ (2)
4g Urea
25Gram KNO3 (i made a mistake and forgot to add KNO3 to the list before and some were wondering where i was getting that 3.0ppm no3, well now its fixed, thanks to Aaron for pointing that out)
3.2g Potassium Phosphate (monobasic)
10g Potassium Sulphate
17g Magnesium Sulphate Heptahydrate (Epsom Salts)
0.5g E300 Ascorbic Acid
0.2g E202 Potassium Sorbate
5g EDTA Chelated Trace Elements Mix (TNC Trace, CSM+B)
1.5g DTPA 11%
0.7g MnSO4.H2O


this will add:

0.8ppm urea
3.0ppm NO3
0.45ppm PO4
1.0ppm K
0.39ppm Mg
0.07 Mn
Fe 0.1
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basically its same as TPN+ but slightly higher in Mn and Fe, this slight change will make a big difference in plants. i think i have found error in James recipe regarding NH4NO3, it should be 19 Gram NH4NO3 instead of 3.8 Gram, which will give you 0.86ppm NH4 and 2.9ppm NO3, if you decided to make these changes and have fear of NH4 then i suggest not bothering with the NH4NO3 recipe, instead try the Urea recipe.





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Do you have a link to his diy fert?

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Do you have a link to his diy fert?

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the link is already posted above, for some reason people still might get PO4 and Iron reaction if they do not make the solution Acidic enough to begin with.

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do you have a spare tank?? maybe i can send you some samples, but lets wait and see how the plant respond to it first in my tank.

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What iron chelate are you using?

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What iron chelate are you using?
i am using DTPA 11%, avoid adding too much EDTA, i find it to cause algae. 30% of the Fe is coming from DTPA 11%, total Fe in the solution is 0.1ppm. my suggestion is to try the James DIY TPN+ first before attempting My solution, this way you will know if you are doing it right or wrong, having a Accurate scale is must.

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I'm not as adventurous as you. I've been mixing DTPA 11% into CSM+B (which has EDTA as you know). I also dose Fe Gluconate separately/daily.

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What's the recipe? (ml per L of solution)


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What's the recipe? (ml per L of solution)
the recipe is

DIY TPN+ (1)
3.8g Ammonium Nitrate
2.2g Potassium Phosphate (monobasic)
10g Potassium Sulphate
17g Magnesium Sulphate Heptahydrate (Epsom Salts)
0.5g E300 Ascorbic Acid
0.2g E202 Potassium Sorbate
5g EDTA Chelated Trace Elements Mix (TNC Trace, CSM+B)
1.5g DTPA 11%
0.7g MnSO4.H2O


this will add:

0.86ppm NH4
3.0ppm NO3
0.31ppm PO4
1.0ppm K
0.39ppm Mg
0.07 Mn
Fe 0.1
Traces


basically its same as TPN+ but slightly higher in Mn and Fe, this slight change will make a big difference in plants.

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I'm not as adventurous as you. I've been mixing DTPA 11% into CSM+B (which has EDTA as you know). I also dose Fe Gluconate separately/daily.
EDTA from csm+b is fine, long as you don't add any more Edta separately. stick with DTPA 11%

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I've been using a slightly modified version of Jame's recipe and it's been great. I highly recommend it since you can just dose 3 days a week and achieve the same effect as regular EI.


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I've been using a slightly modified version of Jame's recipe and it's been great. I highly recommend it since you can just dose 3 days a week and achieve the same effect as regular EI.
which one are you using? i think most people don't have access to NH4No3, so they use the KNO3 version. which one did you use?

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EDTA from csm+b is fine, long as you don't add any more Edta separately. stick with DTPA 11%
Gotcha, thanks.

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