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What is your Dosing Regime??

Im Using EI Dosing
1/4 KNO3
1/16 KH2P04
5 Ml Flourish

But i think i still have some deficiency, I have Pressurized co2

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But i think i still have some deficiency,
I'm sure you do.
If your out go (light) exceed's your income (nutrients/C02/ferts) then your up keep becomes your downfall.
130watts is to much light.

3/8TspKN03,
1/16TspKH2P04,
1/16TspK2S04,
7ml-Plantex mixed 1 Tablespoon to 250ml H20
2ml-Iron, 1 Tablespoon to 250ml H20
all 3x a week

How long do you burn that 130 watt fixture for in a day? that is to much light on a 29.
Cut the light in half to 65w for 8 hrs.

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My previous light is satellite 65watts, and i change it to dual 65watts so i can have a high light tank cause i also upgraded my DIY to Pressurized

i have a photo period of 8 hours daily, actually my bulb are both 55watts but i think its still 65watts. so you suggesting me to increase my dosing of KNO3 and trace right??

I dont dose this ferts 1/16TspK2S04, its optional right? cause im getting that on KNO3 and KH2po4

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i've been doing the following in my 65w 26 gallon, with two DIY reactors + two bubble ladders (including the awesome one you sold to me)

1/4 kno3
1/16th k2so4
1/16th kh2po4
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thats a lot of Diffusers,lol

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I'm sure you do.
If your out go (light) exceed's your income (nutrients/C02/ferts) then your up keep becomes your downfall.
130watts is to much light.
I disagree. I have (and I've seen many others who do also) a 110w on a 20H for 12 hrs/day and as long as you keep the ferts up and Co2 pumpin', it's fine. I definately think that what he has is a deficiency though. I would do about 50% more than what you are, especially if you're doing EI. That allows you a lot of wiggle room and the best thing to aim for at that point, is making sure you have no deficiencies.

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29g, 110w (2x55w). Pressurized co2, with 2 diffusers (DIY, and a redsea 500)! I'm battling hair algae, but.....three times a week I do

1/8 tspn KNO3
1/8 tspn K2SO4
to 1.5ppm KH2PO4
1/8 tspn CSM+B+Fe

But like I said, I have hair algae! Starting to see some nice reds, though.
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you guys have 2 diffuser in 1 tank, so you guys have manifold?

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Umm yes, but just a cheap plastic one that is intended for airpump use. I know, I know it wastes some co2 but hey, so does my tubing. It actually appears to be working quite well, and my growth has responded well!
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why dont just use 1 diffuser, that way no co2 will be wasted??

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1/4 tsp KNO3
1/8 tsp K2SO4
1/8 tsp KH2PO4
1/8 tsp CSM+B
very small squirt of Kent Marine Liquid Calcium (calcium chloride) twice a week.

Just a smattering of gda at weeks end on the front glass otherwise zero algae (knocks on wood). Weeds literally growing out of the tank.
Approx. 75% wc on Sundays.

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My previous light is satellite 65watts, and i change it to dual 65watts so i can have a high light tank cause i also upgraded my DIY to Pressurized
65w on a 29g is highlight and plenty enough to grow anything, 130w is overkill.
If you cannot grow plants with 65w on 29g, do you think 130w will help?
More light does not=better, learn how to grow plants first, the massive amounts of light does not help if you do not understand how it works.

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i have a photo period of 8 hours daily, actually my bulb are both 55watts but i think its still 65watts. so you suggesting me to increase my dosing of KNO3 and trace right??
No, I am not suggesting you increase your dosing, I was simply posting what I dose which was your original question, I have heavy plant load and very light fish load, so I dose heavy with 65w on 29 with very good results.
What I was suggesting is that you decrease your light intensity until you can gain a better understanding of what is going on inside that tank and with the plants.
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I dont dose this ferts 1/16TspK2S04, its optional right? cause im getting that on KNO3 and KH2po4
Optinal? with 130 watts? no, I think it would be needed. the minimal amount you would be getting from KN03 and KH2P04 I doubt would be enough to satisfy the demand of 130w.

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I disagree. I have (and I've seen many others who do also) a 110w on a 20H for 12 hrs/day and as long as you keep the ferts up and Co2 pumpin', it's fine. I definately think that what he has is a deficiency though. I would do about 50% more than what you are, especially if you're doing EI. That allows you a lot of wiggle room and the best thing to aim for at that point, is making sure you have no deficiencies.
I was mearly being nice when I told him it was to much light, because I feel as though I am repeating myself over and over, if you can not grow plants with 65w on a 29g then you definitely can not with 130, therefore it is to much light. That much light on a 29g for the full photo period is to much and un-needed, but not impossible.
it will only open you up for problems if you have a limited amount of knowledge on the subject, take a couple of steps back, slow down and reevaluate the situation for a better understanding of how the plants grow and what their needs are.
I can throw 200watts or more on my 29g successfully, but not for the full photoperiod, but I don't, it is not needed, the margin for error with that much light becomes much broader and easier to achieve.
I was not implying that it could not be done, because it certainly can, but, one must have a better feel for it than thinking more light=better plant growth, which is simply not true.

It has been a long week, I am glad to be back home!!

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Listen to Craig!

I was in the exact same boat... burning 130W over my 29G for 10 hours a day. Cut down to 65W for 8 hours, and I couldn't be more happy with the results. All of my algae troubles have dwindled, and plants are still doing great.

I dose the following BTW:

3X a week
1/4 tsp KNO3
1/16 tsp KH2PO4
1/16 tsp K2SO4

3X a week
3/4 cap Flourish

1X a week (after water change)
1/4 tsp epsom salt (for Mg)
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Here's my 29gal routine after 50% water changes, and 3-4 days there after;
I combine my dry ferts at the last moment into a 3x4" 250micron media bag
and simply hang it near my canister filter outlet from an air line suction cup.
* I use short fat wide mouth 16oz Salsa jars to keep my powders organized.

measure of a teaspoon
1/8 Potassium Sulfate
1/8 Magnesium Sulfate
1/8 Calcium Chloride
1/8 Plantex CSM+B
1/8 Seachem Equilibrium
1/4 iodized table salt
1/4 sodium bicarbonate
-also-
a cap full of Seachem Flourish Excel
a cap full of Hydrogen Peroxide
30 drops of Algae Destroyer Advanced

I have 2.5wpg, DIY Co2, inert gravel mixed with pure Laterite.
my tank maintains 5-10ppm Nitrates and Phosphate naturally.
my tank has been algae free for 3 Months now, and I have
not experienced any fish, shrimp or even snail deaths of late.
Plant growth is very good, with good reds on all my stems.

Secret: feed very little to your fish and only once per day.

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I've got a 29 tall is that the same 29 you've got 65 watts on? I've tried less light and my ground covers never really took off.

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