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Water parameter readings! What do I do now?

Ok...I tested my water for KH,GH, and phosphate:

KH-53.7 (3 degrees)
GH-71.6(4 degrees)
phosphate-.3

What should I do to raise the KH about 1 degree?
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Why bother raising it at all? That is high enough to avoid any PH crash when you add CO2. What is the tank size, light wattage, fertilizer routine, etc.?

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Hoppy, She is not doing CO2, I believe and its a 100 gallon I think. Rachpeach, its all on RexGrigg's website under water parms, I believe. But one teaspoon of baking soda will raise 13 gallons of water 4 degrees KH and your pH a bit too or something like that if memory serves me. Higher KH will increase the dissolved CO2 level in the tank so raising one degree is a good thing, but like Hoppy said not necessary since you aren't injecting CO2. Looks like you have great plant growing water... nice and soft!!

BTW,What is your standing water's pH? Meaning water from a tap left standing for a day or so in a bucket. Not pH of that water straight out of the tap.





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Actually adding baking soda will not increase the dissolved CO2. The only thing that will accomplish that is adding CO2. Adding baking soda will raise the kH. It will also raise the pH.

Example: 13 gallons of water with a resting pH of 7.1 and a kH of 1 degree. You add one teaspoon of baking soda and the kH goes up to 5 degrees. The pH will go up to about 7.8
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Ok i have another question about CO2.....my boyfriend has a small co2 tank that he used for paintball and I was wondering what the cheapest setup with this would be for me to get. I really want to add co2 now!
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Ok i have another question about CO2.....my boyfriend has a small co2 tank that he used for paintball and I was wondering what the cheapest setup with this would be for me to get. I really want to add co2 now!
Cheapest = POS
Cost effective in the long run would be:
1. Largest cylinder you can fit under your stand or afford. Will last you several months and cost way less than using the paint ball tanks. Depending on which you pick will run $50 - $100.
2. Best regulator with solenoid you can afford. Several types are available as are opinions about which is best. Need to pick one. Depending on which you pick will run $70 - $150.
3. Make a CO2 reactor, lots of DIY plans available here and on other sites. Google search got 31,800 hits. Depending on which you pick will run $10 - $30 for parts.

I believe you can find the equipment required to use paint ball tanks, not too sure you would be saving any money though.

If you are not in a hurry, save up some money and keep an eye out for used stuff for sale. I just got a regulator new in box ($80), controller new in box ($100), aluminum cylinder full ($80), 400lbs of eco, 80lbs still in bag ($400), and 3 awesome pieces of driftwood, 1 cool stump and 2 covered in moss ($50) for less than $300.....DC
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If you must use a paint ball cylinder then you need this.

http://www.petsolutions.com/CO2+Pro+...I-C-13-C-.aspx

Note that the cost is about the same or higher than a full sized regulator.
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ok diablo...I would appreciate if you could explain all of that stuff you mentioned a little bit better because I dont really know that much about co2 so...I dont know what any of that does...I know what a reactor is...that is what disperses the co2 into the water?
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Cylinder holds the compressed gas.

Regulator takes the compressed gas from the storage pressure ~800 psi and drops it down to a working pressure, ~20 psi. A complete regulator will come with a needle valve which is used to control the CO2 flow.

Solenoid can be used with a pH controller or timer to shut down the CO2 flow.
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ok diablo...I would appreciate if you could explain all of that stuff you mentioned a little bit better because I dont really know that much about co2 so...I dont know what any of that does...I know what a reactor is...that is what disperses the co2 into the water?
Sorry, thought you would have read this:
http://www.rexgrigg.com/./co2.htm

Here is more good reading:
http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/art_plant_co2chart.htm
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so using a paintball co2 tank isnt the right way to go im assuming? There is a fish store in atlanta that sells a complete set including everything to work with a paintball tank for $180 dollars and the lady said it would cost about 3 dollars to refill the paintball co2 tank. Does this sound ok? $180 is alot of money for me!
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You can get set up with a 5 or 10 pound CO2 cylinder plus the regulator, needle valve and solenoid valve for less than $180, and only have to refill the cylinder every 6 months to a year or even longer, at a cost of about $15 a refill. That is a much better deal.

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and where could I get that hoppy? website?
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I found this on ebay...Would this be all I need? What kind of tank would i use with this?
http://cgi.ebay.com/JBJ-CO2-REGULATO...QQcmdZViewItem
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