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Ordering Ferts

I see there is a lot on this subject but I have a few questions.
I have a 29 gal tank, 60 watts of light. I change water 2 times a week because I have a large fish load and the water gets a little cloudy. Ammonia=0, Nitrite=0, Nitrate is usually 10-20ppm every time I change the water. PH is 7.0 because of the added CO2. My tape water is Hard. I'm all out of my hardness & alkalinity test strips so I need to get some more but I live about 40 miles for the nearest fish store. My plants seem to be a little short on maybe Iron etc. All I've used so far is Tetra FloraPride and Nutrafin Plant Gro which don't seem to be cutting it.
Now with all of these perameters would I still use all this: CSMPlantex1, PotassiumPhosphate, PotassiumSulfate, Nitrate, Flourish Iron, & Flourish?
Also since I am making my order tonight, is there anything else that I should order that would make life a little easier in dosing etc? Thank you so much
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I have that size tank, and I dose KNO3, KH2PO4, CSM+B+extra iron, MgSO4. I got all of them from Gregg Watson - a pound of each, which looks like about a 5 year supply.

You could add Seachem's Excel to that mix and not worry so much about whether the CO2 is enough.

You just barely have enough light for moderate light plants, but low light plants should do very well. I was able to keep plants growing with only 51 watts of NO T8 fluorescent tubes, with a DIY reflector.

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MGS04 - is this because you have soft water?
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What measuring items will I need? Should I order some measuring spoons and bottles from Greg Watson's site?
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Well because I still don't know what to order for my water type, I'll have to wait until another day.
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Joe,
I would say order Potassium Phosphate, you have a nice level of Nitrates, and in my opinion you will recieve enough potassium from the potassium phosphate, so you don't need potassium sulfate.
As far as your micros go, I'm not familiar with the Tetra or Nutrafin products to make a suggestion for change, I would maybe go to the Seachem web site and compare analysis between tetra, nutrafin and flourish. I personally use flourish and have great results using it.
If the measuring spoons and bottles make your dosing easier I would say buy them. I personally use my empty 250ml seachem bottles and a basic set of measuring spoons from a kitychen supply store to get the job done.
And yes Hoppy probably doses MGS04 because he has soft water, you don't, so you don't need it.
Also, you may want to get a PO4 test kit as well to see what you already have in the tank water

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I mix equal parts of MgSO4 and CSM+B+ extra iron in my 250 ml "micros" bottle with water - 2 teaspoons of each, as I recall, and dose about 5 - 7 ml every other day. It's very little added magnesium, but probably enough if my water is short of magnesium. My water was KH=6, GH=7 last night, and I add a half tsp of baking soda every 50% water change to get the KH up above the 2 or so I get from the tap. It may not be necessary, but, again, it gives me assurance that low KH wont be a problem.

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I would say order Potassium Phosphate, you have a nice level of Nitrates, and in my opinion you will recieve enough potassium from the potassium phosphate,
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I thought if you have to much PO4 that it would cause and algea bloom? so i have been staying away from potassium phosphate
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I thought if you have to much PO4 that it would cause and algea bloom? so i have been staying away from potassium phosphate
Old way of thinking, Tom Barr has put this myth to rest. PO4 is one of the major macro ferts needed. Most hobbyists test for it then adjust accordingly, target levels seem to be around 1 to 2ppm, I've honestly had as much as 10ppm with no problem because of weekly water changes.
You can read all about ti here.

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