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Is it possible to make the PPS Pro solutions without a scale? As in just going off of how many teaspoons it would take to get each level? I tried searching around but couldn't find anything. Thanks!
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Check APC fertalator for gram to tsp conversion, that should help out.


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Check APC fertalator for gram to tsp conversion, that should help out.
Thanks! Didn't know they had that. I'll be checking it out this weekend.
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What will happen with the PPS Pro method if I don't put in MgS04? I'm not yet in need of ordering more fertilizers and don't want to place an order for $2.50 right now. Will there be any downfalls? Can I just use tapwater to make the solution or should I use something else?
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Epsom salt = MgS04


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Yes you can use tap water if you don't have much "stuff" aka dissolved solids in there. My tap has a TDS of 20 so I use it but you can use bottled water. If you boil it it'll be easier for the ferts to dissolve as it can be hard with simple room temp water.


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Epsom salt from the garden dept. +++

7 pouunds for $4 !
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Thanks JKan!

What does the epsom salt do for the plants?
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Thanks JKan!

What does the epsom salt do for the plants?
Provide MgS04?
Is this a trick question?

Hey how's the filter clogging issue going? Did you get it the way you wanted it flowing yet?
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What does the epsom salt do for the plants?
Provides magnesium which is needed for chlorophyll synthesis among other things.
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Provide MgS04?
Is this a trick question?

Hey how's the filter clogging issue going? Did you get it the way you wanted it flowing yet?
HAHA no trick question. I've been using the EI dosing method for the past 3 years which didn't say anything about MgS04 and the PPS Pro method does. Just trying to learn about the different fertilizing methods as I'm going to be switching over to the PPS Pro.

Thanks for asking about the filter. I cleaned it all out yesterday and removed the floss and added the Purigen. So far so good. We will see how the flow goes after a couple of weeks. Thanks for the help with it! I also picked up a Hydor Koralia 425 pump yesterday and I will be returning my 750 that I originally bought but had too much flow.

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Provides magnesium which is needed for chlorophyll synthesis among other things.
So can I just add epsom salt to my solutions instead of purchasing the fertilizer itself?
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Sure..... Cheaper too like plantedrich pointed out.
Many store bought Epsom salts packaged for stores in the milk like containers have a large grain. Making them a little tougher to dissolve. Like jkan suggests boiling the water will help the solubility of most salts.
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So I put my first dose of pps pro in both of my tanks today. My 27 gallon seems fine but my 90 is really cloudy. Could this be from the frets?
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HAHA no trick question. I've been using the EI dosing method for the past 3 years which didn't say anything about MgS04 and the PPS Pro method does. Just trying to learn about the different fertilizing methods as I'm going to be switching over to the PPS Pro.
EI does in fact mention Mg and Ca as GH booster.
Not sure which version you read, but I never leave that one out.
I have not since I started helping folks in 1996.

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er itself?
Yes.

PPS is simply adding much less ferts, both add the same things, just at different rates. Some add a lot more PPS, then it's like EI, or they dose less EI, then it's leaner like PPS, but this is not exclusive to either methods, folks will add more/less to suit regardless, this does not define the method.

http://www.barrreport.com/showthread...nd-other-myths

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"SeaChem Equilibrium 1/8 teaspoon after water change." for a 20 Gal tank, this adds a nice mix of Ca and Mg.

If you want to adjust those individually, you certainly may, but I've found it only matters if the individual cations become limiting, eg, Liebig's Law applies in ALL cases. I've never seen a a confirmed Ca++ deficiency, not saying they cannot happen, just never seen one yet.

Mg++? Likely quite a bit, perhaps more than many think.
These I have seen.

Most just dose about 1 tsp per 60 gal of tank weekly, this resolves any K, Ca, Mg deficiency. Even at the highest rates of growth, this is plenty for all plants even if you have very soft tap water.

Hope this helps.




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EI does in fact mention Mg and Ca as GH booster.
Not sure which version you read, but I never leave that one out.
I have not since I started helping folks in 1996.



Yes.

PPS is simply adding much less ferts, both add the same things, just at different rates. Some add a lot more PPS, then it's like EI, or they dose less EI, then it's leaner like PPS, but this is not exclusive to either methods, folks will add more/less to suit regardless, this does not define the method.

http://www.barrreport.com/showthread...nd-other-myths

And from the article:

"SeaChem Equilibrium 1/8 teaspoon after water change." for a 20 Gal tank, this adds a nice mix of Ca and Mg.

If you want to adjust those individually, you certainly may, but I've found it only matters if the individual cations become limiting, eg, Liebig's Law applies in ALL cases. I've never seen a a confirmed Ca++ deficiency, not saying they cannot happen, just never seen one yet.

Mg++? Likely quite a bit, perhaps more than many think.
These I have seen.

Most just dose about 1 tsp per 60 gal of tank weekly, this resolves any K, Ca, Mg deficiency. Even at the highest rates of growth, this is plenty for all plants even if you have very soft tap water.

Hope this helps.
Thanks PlantBrain! Lots of good information as usual! I did not realize that the GH Booster was Mg.
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