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A little help please !

Hy ,
First of all my mane is Bogdan !
I have some problems with my plants . The plants are getting brown and wilt !
so ... the equipments are :
40 G breeder , co2 pressured (co2 solenoid regulator from aquatek with co2 painball tank) , filter fluval 305 , light : 3 X 30w daylight (8 hour /day)
Plants : Staurogyne repens , Ludwigia repens 'Rubin' , Limnophila aromatica , Marsilea minuta some riccia and moss.
Substrate : eco complete and flourite

I use api test liquid !
today test are :
ph : 6.8
amonia : 0.10 ppm
nitrite : 0.15 ppm
nitrate 20 ppm

I use macro micro nutrient mix from : aquarium fertilizer

i know something is realy wrong here but i dont know what .
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Initially I will say the Nitrite and Ammonia are not helping, when was the last time you cleaned the filter and what media is in it?
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yes i fogot to say that .
the filter is new . the tank is in 6 day cycling .

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That may be your only problem for now then, I am new to planted tanks but water quality affects everything fish/plants etc
Maybe do a 25% water change just to lower the Nitrite and Ammonia and see how it is in 2 days
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i do a water change later today ! I add every day 90 drops of macro micro nutrient mix
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Most times I get new plants the old growth dies off and strong new growth replaces it. Some plants don't skip a beat and some take several sets of leaves to adapt. Look for new growth rather than looking at the ugly melting. New Marsilea leaves are yellowish, look for them [I think I see some]. Hairgrass is sneaky, you likely will see new runners before you see any new leaves from the existing crowns. If the old leaves turn brown it is safe to trim the whole thing down to the crown from which roots and leaves grow so you have the satisfaction of seeing new green stuff develop instead of watching old leaves fade and fall off.

I wouldn't change water. You haven't any animals in the tank and .1ppm ammonia is very low for establishing a healthy biological filter. You don't want to starve the bacteria. Once there is zero nitrite add in your first fish. Otos, snail and algae eating shrimp? I personally like platies as they are great at cleaning up the dead plant matter as are snails. I haven't had any problems but many here report that otos are fragile fish.

That fertilizer is fine but not complete. It contains no phosphate. Phosphate is usually dosed separate from micro nutrient fertilizer as it can precipitate iron out but it is essential for good plant health. Not sure you need to be giving a full dose of any fertilizer right now, the plant mass in your tank is still quite low. Cut back to 1/2 of the suggested dose for this week or so and that may be too much.


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ok . i try everithing you say ! and i post the results !
thank you so much
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nitrite and ammonia shouldn't kill plants unless they're REEEALLY high levels. the plants should be able to use them as food sources. i'd clip off the dying leaves and just let new ones grow back, it's normal for plants to die off when they are moved into a tank with new parameters...
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Ammonia is bad for animals, not plants
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Ammonia is bad for animals, not plants
at certain levels ammonia does kill the plants by melting them away. i had this experiment done while back, but at his levels its harmless.

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at certain levels ammonia does kill the plants by melting them away. i had this experiment done while back, but at his levels its harmless.
At what levels did it melt plants?
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Hy ,
First of all my mane is Bogdan !
I have some problems with my plants . The plants are getting brown and wilt !
so ... the equipments are :
40 G breeder , co2 pressured (co2 solenoid regulator from aquatek with co2 painball tank) , filter fluval 305 , light : 3 X 30w daylight (8 hour /day)
Plants : Staurogyne repens , Ludwigia repens 'Rubin' , Limnophila aromatica , Marsilea minuta some riccia and moss.
Substrate : eco complete and flourite

I use api test liquid !
today test are :
ph : 6.8
amonia : 0.10 ppm
nitrite : 0.15 ppm
nitrate 20 ppm

I use macro micro nutrient mix from : aquarium fertilizer

i know something is realy wrong here but i dont know what .
You say you use macro micro nutrient mix, but what do you mean? Are you dosing everything at once, or are following some kind of regimen. How much are you dosing of each and when?

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Also with the micro/macro mix you are likely not dosing any phosphate. I would check on it.
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At what levels did it melt plants?
at 2ppm or higher, this is more harmful to plants with Ph of 7>

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i attached a picture with my micro macro nutrient.


i put 80 drops every day in the morning !!!
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