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Dosing without water changes

If I don't want to do regular water changes, can I fertilize only what the plants need without adding extra fertz like with EI dosing? My main goal is to keep the nitrates down in a planted goldfish tank. Plants looking their best is secondary.


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I may be wrong, but if I'm not mistaken without CO2 or at least Excel, the plants won't really be using much of the nutrients, nitrates included. Maybe you can just dose Excel to keep it simple.
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You probably don't need to fertilize at all.

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EH.. get a comprehensive supplement or root tabs.. that would be the easiest way to do it.
water changes will still be neccessary as the nitrogen cycles uses up carbonates
plants use carbonates as well without the presence of c02
water changes are realllllllllyyyyy good for your tanks.

however u don't have to do it weekly if u keep things simple

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EH.. get a comprehensive supplement or root tabs.. that would be the easiest way to do it.
water changes will still be neccessary as the nitrogen cycles uses up carbonates
plants use carbonates as well without the presence of c02
water changes are realllllllllyyyyy good for your tanks.

however u don't have to do it weekly if u keep things simple
Thanks Wolf. I don't want to dose nitrogen (I am trying to keep that down), so a comprehensive supplement is probably out. I guess I'd dose traces and P and K individually, right? (I am guessing fish don't produce them). I could dose KH too, right? *Sometimes I am forced to leave my city for long periods of time and only have someone who can handle water top off, but not W/C's. I have automated feeding but not top off. I could drip dose when I am away. I really want to keep my nitrates under 20 when I'm gone because they stunt goldfish. It is why I first decided to plant. I used to keep my fish without plants, which I know is lame.


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I still say to just put in root tabs and not fertilize the water column at all. Seems like a very a straightforward solution to your problem.

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Thanks VeeSe. I have dirt now, so that's the same Idea. I thought the dirt would mean the plants wouldn't uptake as much nitrate from the water since they have nitrogen in the dirt, but some members are telling me it does not matter. I think I can do two fish in a 70 without nitrate accumulating. Thanks a lot!


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Look at the plants. Do they look healthy? If so, you don't need to add ferts.


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That is what I thought. Use visual clues to dose only what's needed, right?


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Hey, MrGreen. Do you do W/C's in your dirt 10gal?


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The thing is that I have goldfish, so I will plant heavy fast growers. I am guessing I'll have to dose KH if I am not doing W/C's. Whadda ya think?


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Look at the pps pro and pmdd dosing methods.
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Hey, MrGreen. Do you do W/C's in your dirt 10gal?
Once every few months maybe.... And even less frequent in my 5G. It depends on how much light you're giving the tank.

You have gold fish though. More frequent water changes are better for them.


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You have gold fish though. More frequent water changes are better for them.
Why?


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